Hey guys I don't know if anyone has said what I'm about to say but here goes...

After reading and studying several books they seem to say that most of pokers profit comes from "players steaming and going on tilt."

So I was thinking that if I turn up at the casino and all the tables are full they normally put my name on the waiting list for a "new table"

Now with all these new players just sat down it means no one is on tilt therefor it means I would be FAR better off putting my name on a transfer list at any other table if a space becomes available shortly after sitting down as the probability of someone being on tilt at a table that has been open for a while is far greater.

So we should ALWAYS change tables ASAP when a new one opens and all players are new. Unless of course you have a very good reason to stay where you are ie you know there's a big fish sat down.

What do you guys think?

I have opened some tables that turn out to be awesome, but yes in general getting on the list to an already running table is usually a main initiative of mine unless some known fish/spewer is at the new table.

The one good thing about starting a new table is that there is often very recreational fish who have no idea what they are doing and only bring one buyin. These guys usually go broke within the first 30 minutes to an hour so they are not always present on normal tables. With that being said, normal running tables are generally better than new tables.

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This is hollywood bs.

Does a lot of profit come from tilt? Sure.

However, the majority of your profit is going to come from exploiting all the -EV leaks and mistakes from your opponents.

And tilt is just a subset of those leaks.

The focus of winning players is playing +EV poker while simultaneously taking advantage of and exploiting the -EV leaks of our opponents.

Focusing on "tilt" and other factors is a red herring because ultimately we should already be accounting for that with our overall play.

But if you just focus on the red herrings, before you know it, you are playing -EV poker because you are blinded by the player on tilt and calling his 7bb raise with J6 from the SB because you notice "he is on tilt" rather than paying attention to the fact that not only is your hand and position dogshtt, but the TAG that covers you flatted from the BTN and is licking his lips...

I disagree almost completely.

The rest of your argument is also backwards. You should *want* to open a new table, in fact I'll table change to an opening table if I get the chance (sometimes).

The reasoning is that bad players will lose their chips, dumping them off and eventually running out of money. You want to get a piece of them as soon as possible, before they go broke. Better players won't do this and they'll stick around for longer sessions.

Let's take a hypothetical situation ....

You open a new table, 5 players are flat out bad and will spew by calling too many bets and over valuing hands, basic donkeys, 3 players are reg-nits that don't spew fast but are easy to beat, 1 player is an aggrotard, one other player is a good 2+2 player, and you.

What happens? The 5 donkeys spew their chips, aggrotard throws money into the pot, sometimes winning big and sometimes losing big. The nits sit there and nit it up, while you and the other 2+2 player tend to avoid each other and build your stacks from spewy players.

Now 2 donkeys bust out and leave. One gets replaced by another donkey, but the other gets replaced by a reg-nit. Same thing happens again where 2 bust, but now you pick up one donkey and one solid 2+2 player.

As the table ages, the bad players go bust and get replaced by another random player from the list. But the better players last longer, and the table slowly gets tougher and tougher to beat.

Granted, this isn't *always* the way things develop, but it seems to be pretty common in my experience.

Funny, I never thought about it quite like this, but it is true. Especially if the better players can sit for 8, 10, 12+ hour sessions.

On the flip side though, if we stay at a table, we get to dial that table in and get a great handle on the table dynamics and reads of our villains. Once we get the table dialed in, then we can open up our game and play optimal +EV poker.

SOmetimes though, I will purposefully do a table change because my current table will have too many regs on it and not enough fish and aggrotards. I'll also table change when I notice a couple of aggros and donks gambooling it up at an action table

There are many things players consider when selecting games but the most important thing to me is the number of winning players. If there are less than 3 winning players at a table I know that I am comfortably profitable (+EV) at the table.

On the busiest days of the week in the poker room I play at, the existing games tend to have the most grinders and the new games tend to have the most recreational players.

One thing that can improve one's profitability is to play later at night. If your opponents are tired they will make many more mistakes and even some good players will turn into fish. Of course, this assumes that you are playing optimally at night which is probably not the case if you wake up in the AM and are still playing at 4am.