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Galfond-esque. Which hand would you rather have? Galfond-esque. Which hand would you rather have?

10-28-2011 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
*snort*
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10-28-2011 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BigSkip
Wait...whut? Dear lord.
Speak like a man, or don't speak.
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10-28-2011 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by poke4fun
Hero holds JTo.

Board: 7 5 2

Easy fold.

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Hero holds TT.

Board: 7 5 2

Not so much.

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Hero holds JTo

Board J 8 2

Hero decided to shove.

Equity against AA: 21.6%.

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Hero holds TT

Board J 8 2

Hero decided to shove.

Equity against AA: 11.6%.

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Against a deadly LAG, like I said, I like JTo better than TT.

dude are you trolling
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10-28-2011 , 01:43 AM
LOL, maybe I am on a different planet.

I read this question as more than...

Which hand is better:

1. TT
2. A9o
3. JTo
4. 67s

But I guess the rest of you only see it as such.
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10-28-2011 , 01:47 AM
hahaha dude you're not thinking on a higher level then anyone..... you gave two extremely arbitrary examples, one of which u told us to fold TT on a 752 board (wtf? try stoving TT against a reasonable CO opening range on that board) and then u shoved JT on J82 (how the *** can that be good if we're folding TT on a 752 board against that same range)

but seriously if this is all a giant level then well done.... how do u have 2k+posts is beyond me
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10-28-2011 , 01:48 AM
poke i hope for your sake you're being completely intellectually dishonest with your four examples, because if they are actually relevant than you are the worst post flop player ever.

i mean that in the nicest way possible.
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10-28-2011 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by poke4fun
Speak like a man, or don't speak.
Nothing more I can say. I am getting verklempt. Please talk amongst yourselves. I'll give you a topic. The peanut is neither a pea nor a nut. Discuss.
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10-28-2011 , 01:49 AM
Lol, op, this post is not optimal in low-stakes. For the reason being most are level 1/1.5 thinkers,smh. Lol @ikestoys really stoving these hands. Its a feel post math is not needed.
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10-28-2011 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
2) If you're giving up about 25% in reverse implied odds in position with TT then you're just about the worst player ever.
I'm highly amused that you think that 150 big blinds deep against Ivey that the exact pre-flop equity of your hand will determine your success.

You obviously don't have the vaguest idea what reverse implied odds is. Or if you do, you're an absolute master at hiding it.

By the way, the answer to the question that the OP asked hasn't been properly answered. The correct answer is roughly 25% of each. If you don't think Ivey can figure out how to play against someone who thinks that there's one right play you don't know the first thing about poker.
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10-28-2011 , 01:57 AM
ike is spot on here and its comical reading responses arguing against anything he says
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10-28-2011 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
Lol, op, this post is not optimal in low-stakes. For the reason being most are level 1/1.5 thinkers,smh. Lol @ikestoys really stoving these hands. Its a feel post math is not needed.
Him stoving the example proves 1 point.

He doesn't know that TT has the most equity against a random range.

LOL.
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10-28-2011 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by au4all
I'm highly amused that you think that 150 big blinds deep against Ivey that the exact pre-flop equity of your hand will determine your success.

You obviously don't have the vaguest idea what reverse implied odds is. Or if you do, you're an absolute master at hiding it.

By the way, the answer to the question that the OP asked hasn't been properly answered. The correct answer is roughly 25% of each. If you don't think Ivey can figure out how to play against someone who thinks that there's one right play you don't know the first thing about poker.
Thank God, here's someone that thinks beyond "jeez, which card is bigger, Ace or King?"
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10-28-2011 , 01:59 AM
derp derp pretty sure ikestoys stoved it for your guys' benefit
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10-28-2011 , 02:01 AM
Well, it's all there if anyone wants to learn.

Poke, I like how you brought up 4 examples and instead ignored a method that brought up every possible example and evaluates how likely we are to win.

If someone else brings up a good question I'll answer, but there's not much else to say.
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10-28-2011 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Nothing left to say.
Exactly my very first point. If you think the question asks, "which of the following hands has the most equity," then there is nothing left to say.
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10-28-2011 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Poke, I like how you brought up 4 examples and instead ignored a method that brought up every possible example and evaluates how likely we are to win.

It's actually quite amusing that you think that others aren't capable of seeing the most obvious.

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

If someone else brings up a good question I'll answer, but there's not much else to say.
Also very amusing that you think very highly of your "insights."
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10-28-2011 , 02:08 AM
wait so what exactly is the argument for any of those other hands > TT?
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10-28-2011 , 02:14 AM
Obviously my results aren't 100% for everybody, but running some filters on my HEM database:

TT v CO open OTB (820bb/100 27 instances)
JTs v CO open OTB ( 396bb/100 in 27 instances - ran hot too)

Expanding some:

TT v any open OTB (1095bb/100 in 54 instances)
JTs v any open OTB (110bb/100 in 52 instances)


Just for your reference, you should go through your own if you have the chance.
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10-28-2011 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by au4all
I'm highly amused that you think that 150 big blinds deep against Ivey that the exact pre-flop equity of your hand will determine your success.
So having AA here is no different than 54o from a total 'success' point of view?
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10-28-2011 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Obviously my results aren't 100% for everybody, but running some filters on my HEM database:

TT v CO open OTB (820bb/100 27 instances)
JTs v CO open OTB ( 396bb/100 in 27 instances - ran hot too)

Expanding some:

TT v any open OTB (1095bb/100 in 54 instances)
JTs v any open OTB (110bb/100 in 52 instances)


Just for your reference, you should go through your own if you have the chance.
You're still caught up with the fact that TT is a better hand than JTo, something that NO one is refuting.

Seriously dude, try to join the topic when you're done researching different ways of showing that TT has more equity than JTo.
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10-28-2011 , 02:17 AM
if not TT then get up and go to an easier table
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10-28-2011 , 02:19 AM


Why don't you want the hand with more equity?

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10-28-2011 , 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by poke4fun
You're still caught up with the fact that TT is a better hand than JTo, something that NO one is refuting.

Seriously dude, try to join the topic when you're done researching different ways of showing that TT has more equity than JTo.
what if we know talk CO into checking it down to the river?
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10-28-2011 , 02:19 AM
poke, im curious why you think JTo is preferable to TT in this spot.
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10-28-2011 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by illini43
poke, im curious why you think JTo is preferable to TT in this spot.
Given that he's basically admitted TT makes more money I'm confused as well. I like money.
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