flush draw getting pushed around on the turn
Join Date: Aug 2008
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I just sit down at a 1-3 nl table and it is the first hand i play in the cutoff after the blinds pass me. I haven't played with anyone sitting here and it's only 6 handed as it is a little later on a monday night. I have a full stack of 300. the small blind has me covered. the big blind has a little less than me.
It folds around to me in the cutoff and I have king-queen of hearts and I make it 15. button folds, but both of the blinds call.
Flop comes 10h 6c 4h
Checks to me and I bet 35. The small blind calls and the turn comes the 5s. sb checks again and I bet 65. He min raises to 130.
What do you guys think?
Join Date: Apr 2006
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I would assume u dont have FE until villains give u a reason to say othrtwise. You do however have great immediate odds to see a river.
Call
Join Date: Nov 2011
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Yep. You're getting almost exactly the correct immediate odds, and when coupled with you being in position on the river vs the turn aggressor, your implied odds make this a very easy and straightforward call.
Join Date: May 2011
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what do we think about checking turn vs certain villains? (majority hate folding pairs on "non-scary" turns)
Join Date: Nov 2010
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Hard to argue against either a check or raise. Solid justifications for both. I like a check personally because being new to the table I really don't want to put a target on my back by coming off as a bully and raising and betting every street. Would rather not have 4 people seeing my 15 dollar raise with my AK in early position all night. I'll slow down on the turn and check for the free card here. Would rather turn over a winner. But given a bet/raise, call works.
Join Date: Oct 2011
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As played, gotta call with those odds.
A better play would have been to check the turn though. You are lucky all you got was a min raise since it makes the decision easy...a shove would have put you in an ugly position.
Join Date: May 2011
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If he had enough to call on the flop (ie: weak ten, sd, fd, small pair) the turn 5 either helped him or doesn't scare him. I don't see him folding the turn therefore a check would be the best line.
Join Date: Jul 2006
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I also raise preflop.
With overs and a flush draw and a backdoor straight draw plus position, I also bet this flop and see if I can take the pot down now.
I would have checked behind on the turn. We're unknown, which means we're going to be looked up more lightly until people have reads on us. Plus the turn card isn't scary; if villain was calling the flop with a pair, this turn doesn't scare him into folding. I'm pretty happy to take my free card here.
Thanks to the minraise we have the immediate odds to chase our flush draw, so we're obviously not folding. A check/raise seems strong, so I doubt we have FE, so I'm not raising. So I call. I've lost track of pot size, but I might call a very small bet if a bink a K/Q, and obviously I ship if I bink the flush.
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Join Date: Aug 2008
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yeah, thanks for the replies, guys. I know I should have checked the turn and gotten the river card for free. especially since i need to be protecting a smallish bankroll. old habits of being too much a bully in position die hard i guess.
Join Date: Feb 2006
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I check behind here because the turn card doesn't really affect his calling range. Whatever called you on the flop is very likely to call you on the turn, or even raise as in this case he did, since that card doesn't really hurt any of his flop calling range and it helps a lot of it.
But it's not always a check behind spot, there are some cards that I would def double barrel in spots like these.