Villain 1 is in the blinds and has 2500+. He's a very solid reg but plays 10-10 as long as it's running. He's a lag but can change gears. 3bets more than most and isn't afraid to play oop. He talks a lot and definitely has given me enough info to know he has the ability to play very good poker. Another solid reg and him are chatting often about hands. We have been playing about 3 hours together before this hand and earlier villain labeled me a nit although I wasn't being real nitty imo

Villain 2 is directly to my left short stacked with less than 300 and fishy.

Hero is in hj with about 1250-1300 it's


Hero:kc jc raises to 25
V2: calls
Button:calls
Villain 1:calls

Flop: k j 2 rainbow

Checks to hero: bets 65
V2: all in for about 230
Button folds
v1: raise to 415
Hero:???

yuck. for me its a coin flip to either shove or fold. youre praying that he doesnt snap call with 2s.

i honestly dont know what id do in this spot. its tough.

message me hand result please?

Guys like this will often try to put perceived nits to the test once alleged nit has built up a big stack that he thinks nit will be scared to stack off with. Therefore, I think you have to stack off here and if he has 22 so be it. I would flat the flop and be prepared to call/call on most runouts.

Unless v2 has a set of deuces, youve got him crushed...based off of v1 stack size this is def a tough spot. he may do this with AK thinking that you couldve just been cbetting...and since he thinks youre a nit he thinks such a bet with such a hand will get you out. He would most likely reraise pre with a hand like KK or JJ esepcially oop and with 3 others in hand. I'd say hes got either AK or 22. tough spot for sure. maybe flat, and hope he checks. i think you have the best hand here more often than not. can you message me results? curious as to how this went down.

This is not a "shove/fold". Shove makes no sense as only hands that tie or beat you call. With that being said, I'd be prepared to call and stack off. Why would he try to isolate with a flopped set? There's a strong chance he flopped two pair as well, and I'm not sure you can remove K2 or J2 from this LAGs range when the preflop bet was 20 to him into a pot of 80. For him to raise on the side signifies that he wants you out which is typical with two pair.

Sick sick sick hand. Basically need to put him on 22 to fold. Would V1 ever flat KK/JJ here? That's the big question

Feels a lot like he's trying to isolate the original raiser, my initial inclination is I'm not folding.

Call.

I really doubt he's rebluffing with shortie all in, with like QTss or something unless he treats this as play money. If he's playing 'seriously', he's doing this for value.

Basically does he flat K2ss in sb?He has 22 here a lot.

The described V sounds like he could do this all day with a draw.

^^^^this

Shoving is, by far, the worst option. Fold out all of his air and run into all of his value hands.

I would call his raise and call almost all turns (an A or a 2 would give me pause, but that's about it). From villain's perspective if he has a decent Kx hand he could be trying to isolate the shortstack by raising you out of the hand, rather than giving you good odds to chase by flatting. I agree he has 22 here often but I think there are enough weaker iso hands in his range for you to stack off here. Pretty gross though.

This all day.

Why does everyone put him instantly on 22? It makes no sense for him to iso with 22 here. The only reason for him to raise with 22 is for DECEPTION, not bc he haz set he must raise oh jeebus!

Is he good enough to raise with a set for deceptive purposes hoping hero stacks off with AK? That is the question.

But I'm not folding unless an A, 9, or Q binks, and even then I'm soulreading.

He probably flats with 22 here most of the time hoping that the original raiser comes over the top. This looks more like an AK/QT iso raise, and therefore I'm re-raising to $775 and calling a shove, or if he flats, shoving any turn card. Sucks if you got coolered with top two vs a set with no straight or flush possibility.

Hero is only 1250 deep, so raising to 775 would leave us like ~450 behind in a ~1800 pot when villain calls. It's pretty awkward.


Also, he may be trying to iso, but that doesn't mean with a semibluff. With one stack who jammed over who'll be impossible to push out of the pot, it gives him less incentive to him to raise his OESD.

I basically think this is a question on how wide he value raises, and what his pre sb flat range is.

His flop 3! sets up stacks for turn pretty well, probably to build up the pot, disguise his hand. Him cold calling a bet and a raise on a dry board looks pretty strong either way which is why i weigh his range towards 22/KJ

I'm not sure about his SB flatting range, but if you feel he's flatting a range that includes J2s and K2s, it might push this to a call as his value range that beats you admittedly is basically only 22.

I don't think villain can smooth call 20 more w/ 2 callers in front of him with k k ever and i really started envisioning him bombing pre flop w/ j j and scooping up 75 dollars or getting it heads up w/ someone maybe. I also felt like many that him raising w/ 2 2 doesn't make sense because the board is so dry but technically can't be ruled out. I didn't think a bluff makes sense maybe a semi bluff w/ q 10 at worst. So i started giving a range of K J, 2 2, K 9 + and Q 10. I heavily weighted his range towards K J, A K, and honestly felt he could easily be trying to get me off something like A K, K Q, or A A where in his mind i fold that range a lot to him.

I decided i didn't want to let another card peel off for free and probably mistakenly shoved my stack. I immediately after felt my best line may have been to raise to like 750ish or smooth call. either way villain tanks for like 5 mins starts asking me questions like are you losing your mind w/ A K or A A here? and trying to get to me i guess villain eventually flips his hand up and asks if K J is good and folds shortly after. i show my K J and he goes wild saying that my shove was terrible and that K J is the bottom of his range. He was telling me he could only put me on K K and J J. He then began to say that his raise was bad. anyway turn was a blank and river was an A and Villain 2 turns up A K lol. so i lose a little on the hand...

Him saying he should have smooth called got me thinking if he smooth calls what is the best line? Cause i actually think if he smooth calls it looks a lot stronger and puts me in a tough decision.

I didn't think of it at the time but i guess K 2 and J 2 suited can make sense given how deep he is for his pre flop range therefore k x suited can make sense here if he is strictly calling for the flush, hidden two pair, or hidden trips value if someone is willing to stack off w/ 1 pair like so many would to him since the table knows how aggressive he is.

is 22 really going to isolate? I'm thinking prepare to get stacks in