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10-25-2019 , 09:48 AM

MachFour

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On last morning in Vegas, went to casino to get a couple more hours before flight. New $1/$2 table opened with a mix of young to older guys with me one of 2 women. Bought in for $200 and had doubled up stack in roughly hour and half. Probably viewed as OWC, though I had been open raising while there was much limping. Villain in this hand is a middle aged male, likes to limp into pot with speculative hands, cards with paint, Ax hands.

Hero in CO facing 2 early limps. Raise to $11 with 10h8h. BTN and limpers all call.
Pot $47

Flop Kd 10d 10c
1st limper checks
Villain donks $25.

Hero next to act. Thoughts?

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10-25-2019 , 10:05 AM

Javanewt

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How much does V have?

I'd flat. Raising gets him to fold worse and call with better -- the only action you might get is from a flush draw. No way I'm ready to fold trips here, though.

BTW, $11 seems really small with two limpers, but maybe you were getting folds?

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10-25-2019 , 10:24 AM

hitchens97

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More pre, probably 15. I'm raising now, probably 80, with all the draws and likely folding to a jam, but need stacks.

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10-25-2019 , 10:41 AM

Theagent77

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I'd flat

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10-25-2019 , 11:11 AM

Gorgalosk

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:grunch:

What are effective stack sizes?

Not sure what the table dynamics were, but $11 OTB over 2 limpers is too light imo. If my normal opening raise is $12, in this situation i'm gonna make it $16 to punish the weak-passive limpers.

Flop is a call since a raise is never gonna fold out better and there aren't a ton of worse hands you're likely to get value from, although effective stack sizes matter since V's being short stacked could make a difference. Turn could go a couple of different ways depending on card and action.

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10-25-2019 , 11:43 AM

mdelore

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T8s seems too weak to raise pre against two EP limps, especially if BTN is an active player. I like playing pots against weak limpers as much as the next guy but this is going multiway a lot with a low SPR and they're going to call with hands that dominate you. It's kinda close and vs one MP limper or something maybe but two EP ones and an active BTN is too much adversity.

AP just call flop.

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10-25-2019 , 11:47 AM

fro_dude

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Stacks are really needed for an effective analysis here. Pre is fine but go bigger. Flop I lean towards a raise. We can absolutely get called by worse (Kx, QJ, XdXd), and even though we've flopped strong, denying equity on this board is still very important, especially multiway. Any A, K, Q, J, 9, or diamond changes the board so significantly that our hand becomes difficult to get value with or it becomes 2nd best. Don't like giving 4+:1 to everyone else in the hand on such a dynamic board. I'd rather flat with some of our stronger combos that also block some of V's continuing range (JdTx, QdTx, AdTx).

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10-25-2019 , 12:49 PM

MachFour

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Sorry.

1st limper had just rebought for $200. Villain had around $225. BTN was also limping into pots and had around $150. So I had them all covered.

One reason I went with the suited gapper in late position was hopefully conveying I had a premium pair based on a perceived stereotype of my age and gender. Didn't work this time.

Yes, I should have raised more pre-flop, but had been having some success at thinning the field with $10-12. I think in this case I was being lazy since I only had one white chip to toss in with two red ones.

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10-25-2019 , 01:58 PM

KRiBaH

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Tough hand. I think I'd just flat.

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10-25-2019 , 03:32 PM

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twitcherroo

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I think a call is much better than a raise here. You have position in the donker. You have a good but not great hand. Raising here seems unnecessary and poorly thought out. You’re targeting a K and trying figure out if anyone else has a T. No reason to go nuts here 4 ways.

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10-25-2019 , 04:37 PM

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MachFour

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As played, I did min raise to $50 and everyone folded. My rationale at the time was to charge for the potential straight and flush draws. Definitely missed value on this hand.

Thanks to all who responded!

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10-25-2019 , 04:46 PM

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Javanewt

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Originally Posted by MachFour

You probably weren't getting much more, anyway. However, the min-raise from an OWC is pretty scary

(I'm a MAWW (early 50s), so I know!)

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10-26-2019 , 12:56 AM

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hitchens97

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

You probably weren't getting much more, anyway. However, the min-raise from an OWC is pretty scary

(I'm a MAWW (early 50s), so I know!)

It's beyond scary...I'd probably put you on KK precisely; the only T I'd have in my range for you would be TT, and even then I think there's a good chance an OWC would limp behind with that.

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