Was faced with an interesting situation the lther night with flopped bottom set. I am new to nl, spend most of time playing limit.

Sat down at a 1-2 table with 300. Was blessed with many good hands in a short period of time and in a few orbits had managed to work it up to 600 with dmart aggressive play. Most folks were playing abc, some limpers, some pf raising to thin the field. Very little 3 betting pf (except by me a couple of times)

V1 had about 150, he had previously over played one hand versus me and lost at showdown with a str8 to my flopped flush. V2 had previously over played KQ on a Q high board versus another player. He reloaded to 300.

8 handed, V1 opens mp to 12, he usually limped so this seemed strong maybe 10-10+, 2 broadway especially suited etc. V2 cold calls button. Hard to range as i dont know these people, and there hasn't been much 3 betting and people could have a wide cold call range especially in position.

I called in bb with 77 to set mine oop which i thought was pretty standard...

Flop comes the GORGEOUS K J 7 rainbow. I check. V1 bets 20. V2 calls on the button. I pop it to 70. (Thoughts?) Which was about pot sized. Here is where it gets interesting.

V1 reraises all-in to 140 something.
V2 comes alive and back raises all-in to 300.

Now all of a sudden i see bottom set maybe weaker than i thought. Is this a super standard insta call? Or does one of these guys show up with a set often enough to ever make you get away from the hand ???

All comments welcome.

I can't really get away from this hand especially V1 and V2 both have the history of overplaying hands.

V1 could have AK, AA and V2 could have KJ, K7, J7, QTs...

It is hard to see KK shoves on this board. I'd discount some KK from V1 and V2. JJ is likely though.

As keybattle mentioned, I wouldn't discount all combos of KK here, on the button some villain's do flat KK so I'd leave at least 1 combo in his calling range. Of course he can have all 3 combos of JJ, 6 combos of AA, all 9 combos of KJ, 12 combos of AK, KQs might be a stretch with this line, but I think we leave 1 combo. K7 is a little unlikely, J7 is a bit unlikley but that depends on how wide your V play pre. Furthermore, I think we shouldn't discount some open straight draw and double gutted combos with QTs/T9s.

Overall villain shows up with enough hands in his value range that we beat (AA, KJ, AK, KQ), and his drawing raise as well. We're only losing to 4 set combos outright and are in pretty good shape vs the rest.

call


edit: forgot to add 6 combos of AA in there

When I read the title of this thread, I already had enough info: call!

Just kidding, but yeah, you should call happily here. V1 will have AA and AK enough here and plus, he's not even that deep in the first place so you can still win a decent sidepot even if you lose to V1 but beat V2.

I'm not worried about V2 at all here. He will have KJ and worse quite often.

I'm guessing you ran into KK/JJ here, chalk it up to variance.

Call. No way am I folding this hand.

Your flop raise is not a pot-sized raise.

A pot-sized raise would be 3x20 plus 20 plus about 37 preflop. So a pot-sized raise would be $117ish.

I would probably have raised to about $100.

I would call it off for 150 BBs against two players described as 'overvaluing' hands.

Heh, live you could be facing AK and KQ, ffs. GII.

If you never worried about set over set, you would never notice the tiny blip in your winrate it would make.

Thanks for the replies. I didnt think i would ever be worrying about calling in that spot, but I was a nearly dumped it. It just felt so much like I had to be behind one of them.

V1 had KJ for flopped top two. V2 had AA which was just played horrendously imo. Q on turn, 2 on river and I was golden. AA no reraise pf, no raise on flop until he had everyone trapped by his worst hand.

Thanks for the replies.