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Flopped a set but also smashed V's range Flopped a set but also smashed V's range

11-25-2017 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
But my takeaway (and OP can correct me if he thinks I'm wrong) is that my guess is that $300 stacks go in hardly ever and when they do it is often cooler over cooler against semi-competent opponets.
GnitG
GG - $300 stacks go in all the time in the game I'm in. If I sit for 4 hrs I'll see 6-10 pots of $500+. Of course some nights less (tonight for example I think there were 3 in 4 hrs) but some nights way more. Tonight I watched a guy limp/call from MP w/ 72o, flop 245r, turn10, river K and the MP 72 called the PFR'er on all three streets and was good. A few nights ago I watched a guy in $1/3 open UTG for $70 and then a few orbits later after 2 MP limpers the BTN shoved for $275. I've been told this game is juicier than most. There are quite a few good players in the room so occasionally you're at a super tough table, but there's also a ton of really bad, really exploitable players.
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11-25-2017 , 11:12 AM
gg plays in the upside down where it’s routine for $20-25 raises to go 5-way to the flop in a $300 cap game, yet nobody ever gets stacks in post flop without set over set or similar coolers. Presumably pots just get checked down after the flop.
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11-25-2017 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
Doug Polk says - you should lead out into the PFR, exactly never.
LOL. Thats ridiculous
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11-25-2017 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
LOL. Thats ridiculous
how? when solvers advocate for a donk leading range its usually a very small percentage of the time. so how is it ridiculous when your sopose to be checking 95-99% of the time, but check 100% of the time to make things simpler. not to mention how difficult it would be for a human to actually balance out this strategy.
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11-26-2017 , 01:03 AM
If you cant come up with certain examples of when leading into the raiser is a good play, then I doubt you're going to listen to anything I say. Check 100% if that's what you want to do.
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11-26-2017 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Donking is fine. We're mostly looking to get action from the EP limper and build a pot against him. Having the juicer check behind would be a disaster in a spot where the EP limper is willing to build a pot.

ETA: I mean checking is fine too if we think the juicer is willing to cbet a lot; I just think that fails so often in obvious juicer spots.

GcluelessNLnoobG
I cant help u if u dont know hes cbetting that flop close to 100% of the time. It used to be live players played their hands face off and check when they miss the flop. Now its the opposite they read books and they cbet too often. 5 callers doesnt matter still cbetting everytime. Texture doesnt matter still cbetting everytime. Its probably the biggest leak of competant low stakes nlhe players.
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11-26-2017 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
LOL. Thats ridiculous
He says it because if u donk then u have to donk sometimes as bluffs as well otherwise your hand is face up. We all play with those guys they call a raise pf flop top pair and lead into the raiser. The thing is most live low stakes players cant even figure it out. I think hes advice is more relevant at the stakes he plays.
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11-26-2017 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BoutThatLife
He says it because if u donk then u have to donk sometimes as bluffs as well otherwise your hand is face up. We all play with those guys they call a raise pf flop top pair and lead into the raiser. The thing is most live low stakes players cant even figure it out. I think hes advice is more relevant at the stakes he plays.
So? Whats wrong with that? I wouldn't do it as a pure bluff but I would as a semi bluff with overcards or with a draw
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11-26-2017 , 08:59 PM
I think donking gives H the best chance at playing for stacks. With a TP hand where I'm not usually comfortable playing for stacks I'll c/c and let V lead. Usually leads to 2 streets of betting. I do occasionally donk as a bluff or semi-bluff.
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04-06-2019 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
If you cant come up with certain examples of when leading into the raiser is a good play, then I doubt you're going to listen to anything I say. Check 100% if that's what you want to do.
if you want to play a ridiculously complicated strategy because you finally learnt about pio, then go ahead failing most of the time and construct a leading range if thats what you want to do
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04-06-2019 , 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
What do we think of the limper? If he's a fish, I'm fine with the overlimp attempting to get into a hand with him.

Facing the juicer raise things aren't so simple. Again, if the limp/caller is a total fish, then I'm fine with it. But if he's not, and we just faced a juicer raise from a speculative hand by an opponent who is somewhat solid, how are we going to fare against him if he decides he also wants to get in his stack postflop when we flop our small set? My guess is that we'll almost always lose. Course, there will be times when we'll be able to take down the pot UI. But overall, it's a dicey situation against competent opponents especially OOP.

As for the $8 raise on the Button, yeah, hard to make heads or tails of it. The deeper stacks are, the more chances this could actually be a monster (especially if he is this deep with the limper).

I would probably also donk the flop.

Did he really just juice very meh 22? I dunno, maybe? Otherwise, I'm probably throwing up in my mouth a little against a non-******ed opponent (i.e. go back to my preflop reasoning). I probably go into calldown mode, possibly donk/folding the river.

ETA: Reading results things obviously turned out great, and admittedly there was one hand that we were solidly ahead of. But my takeaway (and OP can correct me if he thinks I'm wrong) is that my guess is that $300 stacks go in hardly ever and when they do it is often cooler over cooler against semi-competent opponets. Now ask yourself how often a set of 4s is going to be on the good end of the cooler.

GnitG
Oh em gee.

Just... I...

What?

OMG.
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