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01-03-2012 , 03:14 AM
Reads
Villain: New to my table. Only read on him is that he is weak because he checked back river with A5 on AA7Q5 board.

Effective Stacks: 240

$1/2 NL - 10 players - $200 max

Villian (UTG+1) $240
Hero (BB) covers

Hero is dealt QT

5 limpers. SB folds. I check.

Flop ($13) 567

Hero leads for 10. UTG, Villian, and MP call.

Turn ($53) A

Hero leads for 30. UTG folds. Villian raises to 60. MP folds Hero???
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01-03-2012 , 05:25 AM
Whenever you are 100BB deep or less, these decisions are fairly straightforward as you have too much equity to fold.

Shovel it.

Smaller flushes call. Ax will call.

Sucks if he has Ax or Kx (or even a straight flush FML) but so be it.

Or put another way. If you call $60 and river is a brick and he shoves are you ever ever folding?

No.

So, shovel it over the top here. Charge the A and/or get paid by the other flush combos you beat.

EDIT: Sorry I missed this
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Villain: New to my table. Only read on him is that he is weak because he checked back river with A5 on AA7Q5 board.
man does that suck . now I know why this is a sick spot and post worthy. Fold here is not terrible against this villain.

I'm on the line 50/50 either way based on this sick observation. Shove or fold, do not call.
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01-03-2012 , 12:29 PM
All in... People do this wiht Axhh, Ah8x, sets, straights, smaller flushes.
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01-03-2012 , 12:39 PM
The A weakens his stack off range enough so I think that getting it in here is ok although the previous hand history is scary. If deeper, I'd be less likely to 3bet here on a blank turn against this vil given that previous hand.
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01-03-2012 , 02:45 PM
Agree also that if we are deeper I am not shoving. I flat and c/call most rivers when > about 175bb
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01-03-2012 , 04:03 PM
Reads
Villain: New to my table. Only read on him is that he is weak because he checked back river with A5 on AA7Q5 board.

Effective Stacks: 240

$1/2 NL - 10 players - $200 max

Villian (UTG+1) $240
Hero (BB) covers

Hero is dealt QT

5 limpers. SB folds. I check.

Flop ($13) 567

Hero leads for 10. UTG, Villian, and MP call.

Turn ($53) A

Hero leads for 30. UTG folds. Villian raises to 60. MP folds. Hero does just call here.

River ($173) 4

Hero checks, planning to call any bet besides a shove. Villian checks back. Villian shows A4

I'm glad I posted this hand because I can now see that not shoving was a mistake. His min raise just felt like the nuts at the time. If I was not planning on folding, shove is obv the best move since I beat everthing besides Ax, Kx and straight flushes. Thanks all.
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01-03-2012 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool
Agree also that if we are deeper I am not shoving. I flat and c/call most rivers when > about 175bb
I think this is the absolute worst line you could take at 175BB's+. We are against a villain who is so passive that he checks behind full houses on the river. I agree that the turn would be a call when he min raises but the river would have to be a c/f right? he will never bet worse and only bet much better based on history. I also think this logic prevails in the current hand. If we can just call the $30 and know that the villain will only bet the river if he has us beat then we can easily call the $30 on the turn and not lose another dollar by c/f'ing.

To go back to your previous hypothetical of being deeper i would say call turn and b/f river for value is >>>> than call turn and c/c river.

Last edited by Superman1; 01-03-2012 at 04:26 PM.
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01-03-2012 , 04:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SurfGrappleSmoke
Reads
Villain: New to my table. Only read on him is that he is weak because he checked back river with A5 on AA7Q5 board.

Effective Stacks: 240

$1/2 NL - 10 players - $200 max

Villian (UTG+1) $240
Hero (BB) covers

Hero is dealt QT

5 limpers. SB folds. I check.

Flop ($13) 567

Hero leads for 10. UTG, Villian, and MP call.

Turn ($53) A

Hero leads for 30. UTG folds. Villian raises to 60. MP folds. Hero does just call here.

River ($173) 4

Hero checks, planning to call any bet besides a shove. Villian checks back. Villian shows A4

I'm glad I posted this hand because I can now see that not shoving was a mistake. His min raise just felt like the nuts at the time. If I was not planning on folding, shove is obv the best move since I beat everthing besides Ax, Kx and straight flushes. Thanks all.
Oh man, i totally disagree with shoving turn as being correct against such a passive villain. His calling range is way to narrow in a limped pot. aka if you get called you are drawing dead.

Last edited by Superman1; 01-03-2012 at 04:26 PM.
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