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Flopped a boat, completely butchered this hand.  Please tear me apart, comments on every street Flopped a boat, completely butchered this hand.  Please tear me apart, comments on every street

02-10-2012 , 06:18 PM
Check out this hand I played ss in a 2/5 game,

Effective stacks 150$

I'm utg with A10 I limp for 5$, villain(areminian lady donk) calls and a sea of callers.

Flop Kx8 6

Blinds check, hero check's, villain bets 30$, button calls I call.

Turn

I check, villain bets 5$, button folds, I call with the nuts lol.

River 10

Hero check's lol,

Villain shoves I snap call.

Button says "calling 5 with the nuts, that must be something new". I just lol

Am I a donk for calling 5$ with the nuts? Or is a skilled play because I know the aremenian donk will bluff of her chips?
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02-10-2012 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Grunch
Will a player who doesn't want to lose a lot call a huge bet with their garbage hand? Of course not. Not unless they are afraid of getting bluffed, and even then it's nigh impossible to commit your entire stack with a non-hand on the fear of getting bluffed. It's simply not happening. Therefore, there is a zero percent chance that villain will call a shove at the end.

(Disclaimer: OK, maybe not *zero*, but as damned close to zero as you can get without actually saying the word "never")

How much will he call? He's already shown a willingness to call $15, so that is a safe starting bet. There is an upper limit someplace; I don't know what it is. I would probably have bet $15 or $20.
All well thought out Grunch, but in the end, I have to disagree.

Villain has shown he'll call small bets with junk (such as T high). Fair enough. But what about great hands, such as, "OMG! Two Pear!"? Letting him get off the hook with these types of hand is going to be <<< nickel and diming the few times he pays off a small bet with T high again.

I also think not enough has been made about the fact that (a) he's probably high or drunk and (b) he's got $68 left (in my experience, stacks of this size are tossed into the middle so quickly with such garbage that it really ain't much different than tossing the dealer $2 as a tip, no?).

GagreeingtodisagreeG
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02-10-2012 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
All well thought out Grunch, but in the end, I have to disagree.

Villain has shown he'll call small bets with junk (such as T high). Fair enough. But what about great hands, such as, "OMG! Two Pear!"? Letting him get off the hook with these types of hand is going to be <<< nickel and diming the few times he pays off a small bet with T high again.

I also think not enough has been made about the fact that (a) he's probably high or drunk and (b) he's got $68 left (in my experience, stacks of this size are tossed into the middle so quickly with such garbage that it really ain't much different than tossing the dealer $2 as a tip, no?).

GagreeingtodisagreeG
You been arguing this thought process for days now. People are telling you shoving vs this player won't ever get called. Villain is black and wants to be the aggressor not call of his chips.


I told you this days ago, let it go man.

"Your Wrong"
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02-10-2012 , 06:28 PM
i normally see villains with the propensity to save the rest of their money when they only have 68 left.

something like 20 or 30 i see the splashy stuff you describe.

but everyone is different with money. this guy may call any bet with ATC for 20$ but only call an all in with an A. given there are 2 aces out its unlikely he has an A even given the action.

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02-10-2012 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
Villain is black and wants to be the aggressor not call of his chips.
lol

(literally almost spit water all over my keyboard)
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02-11-2012 , 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Grunch
You sound like you're giving up.

Giving up making the best play; giving up trying to understand our opponent; giving up making the best decisions -- I'm not sure exactly what.

Hopefully, if we as poker students are doing our jobs right, almost every opponent we come across will be a " terrible player who [is] intoxicated, inexperienced, or both" compared to us. That's where most of our money will come from: the players who are much worse than us. Not the players who are only a little worse than us or the players as good or better than us.
I actually don't understand here what you're trying to say. The best decision and the best play here for max value IMO is shoving the river, because we get called often enough to make it more profitable than placing a small value bet. Pretty clear from my post. As far as understanding my opponent, based on the hand and the view I'd have of him at the table if I were at it, he's playing poorly and not applying basic thought processes to the game. He's betting oddball amounts here because he has no idea what else to do, and he has a very weak hand the entire way. He's either arrived at the river with absolutely nothing, which isn't calling a bet of any reasonable size, or he paired up somewhere along the way and may call a shove. Thus, shoving $65 is superior to betting $20.

I clearly haven't "given up" on anything.
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