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10-06-2013 , 12:18 PM
1-2 game...

Villain is a women who is playing pretty tight. probably limps 25% of hands but seems a tight raiser. in 2 hours or so she maybe raised twise...on one hand she raised....got called by a loose player flop came A high she bet 15 into the 20 pot and check folded the turn... Have not seen her do any aggressive plays so far...

I'm running a bit card dead so probably have a tight image...

I'm in BB with Q8o....

5 limpers including the women in ep...

flop $11 6way...

Q83 rainbow....

I bet $10...Vileness calls all else folds..
Turn $26
K completing the rainbow

Now what can i get value from....AQ is my best chance and some QJ QT q9s
might continue to a smallish bet....so I bet 15 she calls...

River 56
A

I'm not happy, I bet out 15 again planning to bet fold..but I think a check fold is probably better...Thoughts
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10-06-2013 , 01:04 PM
Imho all looks good. I might go for check call otr or bet small/fold like you did.
Check/call might be better imho. I dont think i could fold for
15 or 20 here.
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10-06-2013 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Little_blue
1-2 game...

Villain is a women who is playing pretty tight. probably limps 25% of hands but seems a tight raiser. in 2 hours or so she maybe raised twise...on one hand she raised....got called by a loose player flop came A high she bet 15 into the 20 pot and check folded the turn... Have not seen her do any aggressive plays so far...

I'm running a bit card dead so probably have a tight image...

I'm in BB with Q8o....

5 limpers including the women in ep...

flop $11 6way...

Q83 rainbow....

I bet $10...Vileness calls all else folds..
Turn $26
K completing the rainbow

Now what can i get value from....AQ is my best chance and some QJ QT q9s
might continue to a smallish bet....so I bet 15 she calls...

River 56
A

I'm not happy, I bet out 15 again planning to bet fold..but I think a check fold is probably better...Thoughts
Don't show weakness by betting weak with the plan to bet/fold if strength is shown.

When you show weakness and then bet weak you are begging your villains to show strength and you will not be able to tell the difference between your villlains being strong vs your villains simply reacting to your show of weakness and turning their made hands into bluffs or bluffing whiffed draws...

much better to check/call then bet/fold.

Lastly, in general, we should NEVER show weakness and then bet weak with the plan to bet/fold. That is the epitome of losing poker and bad for a billion reasons.
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10-06-2013 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dgiharris
Don't show weakness by betting weak with the plan to bet/fold if strength is shown.

When you show weakness and then bet weak you are begging your villains to show strength and you will not be able to tell the difference between your villlains being strong vs your villains simply reacting to your show of weakness and turning their made hands into bluffs or bluffing whiffed draws...

much better to check/call then bet/fold.

Lastly, in general, we should NEVER show weakness and then bet weak with the plan to bet/fold. That is the epitome of losing poker and bad for a billion reasons.
I agree that it is incredibly exploitable...but this women is never ever going to be able to raise my river bet on a week Q....Yea I've done it I'm sure you have done it but in the 1-2 games I play...almost no one can do it...I also see no bluffs in her range so the bet/call becomes pretty weak...

thats why these games can be played so exploitable...
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10-06-2013 , 06:29 PM
check call
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10-06-2013 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Little_blue
I agree that it is incredibly exploitable...but this women is never ever going to be able to raise my river bet on a week Q....Yea I've done it I'm sure you have done it but in the 1-2 games I play...almost no one can do it...I also see no bluffs in her range so the bet/call becomes pretty weak...

thats why these games can be played so exploitable...
actually, you are right

I take back what I said
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10-06-2013 , 08:27 PM
yeah it's either a block bet or check fold. Check calling is really bad against this villain... she's weak tight dude. We are crushed by her betting range.
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10-06-2013 , 10:01 PM
I'm OK with bet small/fold for value or check/fold.

Check/fold is probably best. Very poor run-out for you for anything worse that was giving you value. You still have the best hand plenty, but you can't really get value.

I don't mind trying with a small value bet though I might go 20. Even people who aren't paying attention may notice 15 is weak. 20 feels bigger.

Check/calling the river is not an option.
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10-06-2013 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dgiharris
Don't show weakness by betting weak with the plan to bet/fold if strength is shown.

When you show weakness and then bet weak you are begging your villains to show strength and you will not be able to tell the difference between your villlains being strong vs your villains simply reacting to your show of weakness and turning their made hands into bluffs or bluffing whiffed draws...

much better to check/call then bet/fold.

Lastly, in general, we should NEVER show weakness and then bet weak with the plan to bet/fold. That is the epitome of losing poker and bad for a billion reasons.
Can you (or someone) explain this point a little more? It sounds like you are implying that Hero was showing weakness before his river plan? He bet $15 into a $26 pot, is that what you're referring to as weakness?

Hero if you think she's a tight raiser, then IMO she would have revealed her strength on the turn (88, 33, KQ). AQ she would have raised preflop, no? The only other hand I'm worried about is JT. Otherwise, c/c or c/f seem weak. I am betting with impunity here, $20-$22 ish, b/f line seems appropriate.
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10-06-2013 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by filimaica
. I am betting with impunity here, $20-$22 ish, b/f line seems appropriate.
+1. I like the bet/fold line here, but the bet has to be real ($22-$25) so as not to show weakness.
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