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Flop effective nuts multiway, best line for value? Flop effective nuts multiway, best line for value?

03-08-2015 , 02:50 AM
1/2 Mohegan Sun full ring

V1 UTG (~150) fishy rec guy 50's white stacked him once earlier with AK on an A high flop, not very aggressive or aware of the game.

V2 BB (~900) Looks like a grinder definitely a reg talking with many players around, good player running well and stacking people.

Hero (~250) Playing pretty tight almost seen as nitty, got stacked earlier when I limped shoved AK suited PF for 120 into a pot of 60 after a raise to 15 and 3 callers. one guy called with 67 suited and held on a K66 flop

3 limpers to Hero in SB with A3 who completes

V2 checks

Flop (10) 3J3

Hero checks (better line to lead out here?)

V1 bets 10

V2 calls

Hero calls

Turn (40)3J3A

So turned the boat but not really happy cause it could kill my action if either V has a jack unless it's AJ but unlikely.

What line do we take for the turn? Will post action after some input
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03-08-2015 , 03:12 AM
I really like a ch/call here and a big lead OTR. ch/r will fold everything but the case 3 if it's out there.
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03-08-2015 , 09:18 AM
Check/raise slightly more than a min raise. One of them may have picked up a BDFD so you can get some action on the turn. I wouldn't wait until river.
If V1 bets and V2 calls, it's starting to be a nice pot. If V1 checks and V2 bets, you can reasonable assume V1 has given up on the hand after taking a stab at it on the flop, so I'd still c/r instead of going for the over call.
If it checks around, lead pot on river. It's going to be hard to max value here OOP. Best case is someone has AJ, bets this flop and stacks off to your c/r.
Since most players never think you would bet a hand as strong as trips on the flop, def consider leading. I like a bet/check/bet line with flopped trips, or bet/bet/bet if you think the bad player will call with a wide range and the grinder might look you up thin.
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03-08-2015 , 01:11 PM
I would've c/r'd otf. If you're not going to lead, c/r'ing is the way to go. If the pot were big already, I'd just lead and guys will convince themselves you have Jx. But because the pot's so small I'd take the chance at it checking through to c/r and build the pot quickly that way.
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03-08-2015 , 01:45 PM
Check/calling the flop was the worst line to take, other than folding.

Leading is the best play, because it actually helps us keep bluffs in our range. Check raising this flop allows people to fold junky Jx hands.

A bet, bet, bet line is the only way to get three streets of value from Jx.


As played, just c/c. We've already screwed up, so we should try to salvage the story we are telling by continuing to lay low, as if we have Jx or maybe a pocket pair.
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03-09-2015 , 02:15 AM
I agree a bet/bet/bet line would have been a better option to keep bluffs in and make it look like a Jx type hand.

Turn(40) 3J3A

Hero checks

V1 bets 10

V2 calls

Hero x/r to 35

V1 folds & V2 calls

River (120)3J3A8

Hero leads for 90

V2 folds.

after the x/r on the turn what do we do on the river?
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03-09-2015 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by DaYu
As played, just c/c. We've already screwed up, so we should try to salvage the story we are telling by continuing to lay low, as if we have Jx or maybe a pocket pair.
should have definitely made a move on the flop but i can't just check call the turn again I need to start putting more money in the pot no?
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