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Facing a River shove at 1/3 NLHE Facing a River shove at 1/3 NLHE

11-03-2023 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MonkeyTime
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So I have a confession to make.

I was actually the villain in this one, I flipped the roles because I wanted to get a honest assessment of what my line looked like.

I had 6s8c, when the SB effectively limped into my button straddle, I'm 3 betting a WIDE swath of my range here and then folding to a 4-bet with anything but the top.

The strong lead by the opponent into the highly connected flop screamed top pair to me, so when he lead out like that I pondered it for a short period of time and figured I could win this pot a multitude of ways, be it running cards to beat the top pair, or by representing either one of the front door draws that were available, so I had no issue calling the $60 with the gutter and those options.

Pretty much same song second verse on the turn, big brick for me, but also likely for him too as I don't see him leading out so strong if he just made top 2 pair with JT...at this point I'm getting roughly 3:1 on my call and again I'm counting any spade, any 8, and any 3 as outs for me. To be honest with you I was mainly hoping for the spades and the 8 hitting on the river was more of a crime of opportunity. Additionally, by this point in the hand, he's playing this thing so fast that I'm also putting the potential of a 2 barrel AK whiff into his range.

When the river comes the 8 and he re-bets the 100, I took that to mean that he was basically in "well I bet 100 last time so if I bet less this time, I'm going to look too weak" mode, but he obviously doesn't love his hand or he'd be betting more than 23% pot to extract more value.

My jam over the top was effectively a pot sized bet... I almost wonder if I would've been better off raising him 200 or 250 to remove the allure "calling all-in" that can sometimes be prevalent in these games, but if I had the made straight in this spot, it's the effective nuts and I'm jamming river every time to try to maximize value (GTO gods hate me, I know).

The reason I posted this hand is that I've had 3 of these similar situations, (not with like players) in my past three sessions. I run a multi-street semi-bluff, a trigger card hits on either the turn or river and play it out as if. Each of the 3 times, the opponents have tanked for a considerable amount of time but have eventually called me; one of the times the opponent (who is a good player) had an wildly under-repped set of 5's, so that one I understand the crying call. The other time I got called with a naked pair of 6's (4th pair).

I don't move when the action is on the other player, I don't speak when in the hand and I wear sunglasses, so I don't think I'm giving anything away but who knows. I've been playing for 20 years and I don't really get "excited" at the table in any spots anymore. This most recent guy tanked for over a minute and at one point said "Do you have J8?" which apparently he was more worried about than AJ, KJ, 44, 55, TT, 88, JT, 67, etc.

I usually play 1/3 because up until some recent, significant work on my game, I've been a 20 year loser, so I'm hesitant to move up in stakes, but I've had a couple people I've spoken to about this hand tell me that it didn't work because it's a 2/5 play and 1/3 players aren't going to think enough to see the line; would love any thoughts on this.

Am I nuts to try run this line at 1/3? Am I nuts to run this line in general? I've been studying a lot of Little lately and I know he says "if you never get caught bluffing you don't bluff enough," but DAMN.


Thank you all for your thoughts so far and am interested to hear opinions now that you have the whole story.
Never. Bluff. Calling. Stations.

What percentage of players are gonna fold after they donk lead three streets? Not many at these stakes.

So when you jam the river, you are trying to force bad players to make correct plays. They're gonna make the wrong play, just not the one that you want.
11-03-2023 , 06:40 AM
OP, you're on the straddle. The straddle is basically seen as the big blind, so your raise is not a re-raise or a 3bet. If the SB had re-raised pre-flop after he called the straddle, then that would have been a 3bet, not a 4bet.

I know, it doesn’t really matter, but I guess these things just bug me.

As for the hand, I don't think you rep a whole lot on the river. Basically 76 only, and I'm not sure you wouldn’t have raised this on the flop or folded it on the turn. It just feels like a jam to punish the capped range that same bet the river. I wanna say I would probably still have folded the river to most players if I were the SB, but I would play the whole hand differently, so I don’t know. I do think your image matters a lot in these situations and your image is probably not very good? If people think you're the kind of guy who's gonna try and pull off these FPS stunts to "outplay" his opponents, they're gonna call you. With 4th pair even, apparently.
11-03-2023 , 08:49 AM
Reverse Hand Histories are not allowed ITF, as folks above have mentioned. It always leads to frustration and/or confusion. Please feel free to repost, and you can even leave out your holding, but post from your perspective, and wait at least 24 hours before posting results.
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