1/3
(500) UTG+1 makes it 15
She’s tight and she’s passive
Note that she’s not passive here
Fairly inexperienced

(400) HJ calls
He’s young and he’s splashy
Calls 3bets pre - wants to see a flop
Mostly passive post flop
Playing most pots, having fun

Folds around

(700) BB - Hero TdTs
Don’t think these two notice image
Hero picked up a big pot with KK and some small pots with aggression.
Hero?

Passive, tight women raises UTG. I don't think you're going to get a fold with a 3bet and you're likely behind her range. Call.

+1. You've already said that V2 calls 3-bets, and the original open was from a tight passive UTG. You're basically set mining and occasionally picking up orphaned pots unimproved.

One of the main benefits of squeezing is the fold equity, with the original raiser struggling to call without a very strong hand due to the presence of the other person, who probably has a weak hand anyway and should also fold. In this case, a tight passive player opens UTG and gets called by a player who doesn't fold to 3bets, so that fold equity is practically nil.

Calling is all very well, but is TT much stronger than 22 here? You've the usual problems of being OOP multiway and needing to hit a set and then hope for good action. Sure if UTG is weighted to big overpairs then you get paid, but in that case why not wait until you're in position when the same rules apply but it's that bit easier to get all the money in.

I don't think any option is awful here, but i like folding best

Because our IOs are over 25:1 vs both players. Sure, we don't get paid off that well every time we hit a set, but remember that we just have to average an 8x payoff in order for it to be +EV. With huge IOs against 2 players, we should be able to easily average that, even OOP against 2 passive players. And TT is not like 22 at all, in that we have way less RIOs via getting oversetted that we have to make up for in that average payoff. Also, 22 is always the worst pair post flop when it doesn't hit a set, whereas TT is often second pair and sometimes an overpair OTF.

"She's tight and she's passive
Note that she's not passive here"

I would interpret this as you saying V has a narrow range So we are mostly behind or perhaps flipping. I get that we would like to drag in more dead money from the caller but being oop, I would just call.

Unless you’ve played literally 1,000+ hours with the EP player and know their range to be exclusively JJ+, folding here is objectively horrible lol

I would argue that even if you do know that her range is exclusively JJ+, folding is horrible. If she will continue to put in money with an overpair, your set-mining IOs go way up, and if she's so tight that she won't put in more money with an overpair, then your bluffing EV goes way up.

Here in the big blind when we close the action against this player type and this stack depth and I am always just calling and playing post. 3 betting and having to fold to a 4bet sucks.

As a general heuristic we should be polar 3 betting closing the action in BB and more linear in other seats.

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I think that this might be correct against a late position raiser, but would never be correct in this situation against two players (one opening UTG), because there’s no fold equity.

Most 3betting at low stakes should be linear at low stakes from any position. IMO

Hand continues…

Hero TdTs) calls
(45) JsThAh

Hero bets 25
UTG+1 makes it 75
HJ bumps it to 200
Hero?

I’m pretty sure my equity is huge against each of them individually, but can I call? Would you raise?

I don’t think either one of them have ever bluffed in their lives. My odds to improve are terrible.

Bleh. Flop a set, get lots of action and hate life? Yeah. One of them could have AJ, but chances are strong that V2 has a straight and is worried about the flush draw, and V1 could have us overset. Against these specific Vs, I don't love the 4th nuts much at all.

i think you need to learn what implied odds means. poker is not a one street game, if it was everyone would just sit around waiting for aces.

We have invested 40 so far. We get 2-1 to call but we don't close the action. We can jam and offer even money. Or we can fold.

I worry we are the proverbial "bologna in the sandwich" here and could face a jam if we just call.

In theory, I guess we're not supposed to fold here at 2-1 direct. But in practice, we have 40 invested and maybe it's better to live to fight another day.

It's possible but not likely that you are ahead, and also unlikely that you're behind but drawing to all your full house outs.

but that would mean at least one passive player decided to go HAM with AK/AQ or a big combo draw. Not impossible but unlikely.

Mostly this is each player having a straight, higher set, or two pair, meaning you are drawing slim to as little as 1 out. The edge case is they both have AJ.

Hey Siri, talk to me about the implied odds of a medium pair out of position multiway

I almost never fold sets at 133-166bb, but I'll fold bottom set here as described.

The pf call is fine. Why 3!/f Tens this deep, closing the action? Yes, V1's very likey in the lead pf, so what? Most flops besides this atrocity, you're taking her lunch money if you flop a Ten.

V2 as described, *should* have a straight. V2 probably 3!'s JJ, right OP? He'd have to be insane to 3 bet this flop with something like JT/AJ. Do you think it likely V1 was raising some big Ax, then V2 raises JT? I don't think V2 as described, is likely to raise a mere pair + flush draw.

Both V’s could think AX is the nuts. Just going to go with it, ideally 3 ways. Not high fiving anyone but not a terrible spot either. Looking for a brick-brick run out. I don’t think KQ is out there.

Call.

Not sure why we'd want to donk into multiple opponents in this configuration. Guessing we're "trying to find out where we're at". A raise and a 3B should tell us it's not where we want to be.

Call me MUBSy, but I doubt we've got enough equity to continue, unless the reads we were given are wrong. The donk may have saved our stack, assuming we folded and got a reveal that we were indeed behind.

If this plays out as hero got it in good and the run-out was bricktastic, I'd say we probably could have arrived at the same place with less consternation by just check-calling.

Not looking to be pedantic. It's also possible they both have KQ, and all our boat outs are live.

Otherwise, it would seem likely we're up against a higher set or a straight, if not both. It seems unlikely that we'd be up against AK/AQ and AJ, unless something about OP tends to induce button clicking from his opponents. I've had a hunch that OP's play style and likely table image could induce action for a while.

I could see a world in which UTG raises AK/AQ for value & protection, and HJ decides to fast-play AJ. The question is what the hell HJ thinks OP has when he donks. He'd have to think OP was just screwing around, donking with something like AX or Q9s. That might align with other plays they've seen OP make.

Already suspecting a reveal that OP was ahead somehow.

I don't think Utg+1 has AJ or KQ very often. That's based on the read but also population tendencies unless OP missed or isnt telling us something. But sure, the money talks and those hands would merit a raise.
I've been in a similar spot with AJ before (in position, facing a bet and a raise) and it was not a good spot so I folded.

Here we have a set and can beat two pairs, and yes there is equity to draw against specific combos (like KQ+KQ) but you have to play against ranges and with 2 passive players (the read, again, unless there is something more to the "splashy" description) it doesn't look good

The exploit was to fold
That’s what I thought
Hero folds, UTG+1 calls

Turn Qh
HJ jams and flashes a king when UTG+1 mucks - imperfect information, who knows what she had?

Still not entirely sure it was the right play for Hero, as I may be too price sensitive and maybe my 25% equity was enough to get it in.

I think you had more like 17% equity, or less. That's what I got when I gave them both a range of all AJ combos, the higher sets, and gave V2 all the KQ combos. I suppose we might give him only the suited KQ, but given your description, I think they were all in his range.