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Originally Posted by Garick
You don't think maniacs can maniacally call an overbet shove with trash? Why not?
Maniacs are not only maniacally aggressive. Sometimes they are maniacally gambooly. As I said above, depends on the maniac.
Yes, I’m in agreement and that’s kind of my point. Calling villain “maniacal” with no sample HH’s for context is about as worthless a read as it gets given a maniac is not a one size fits all archetype that always responds with
X when we do
W, or
Z when we do
Y.
Hero has obviously observed enough to confidently say “villain will call with a, b and c” (unclear if he meant a normal raise over the straddle or a l/rr all-in), but hasn’t provided any objective evidence to support the case for jamming $425 over $40. Is villain stuck? Is he drunk? Does he have a wad of $5k in his pocket to reload over and over or is he one and done? Does he get off on sucking out with trash knowing he’s eventually going home with empty pockets, or does he use aggression to bully the table while still playing serious/to win?
It’s just bizarre to me that l/rr AIPF is being discussed like it’s the only viable strategy to stack a maniac. It’s an overly simplistic exploit with a single decision tree for villain and a binary outcome: he either calls or folds pre.
We know nobody is raising at this passive table unless they have a preflop monster, so we’re hoping to get a couple limps plus a normalish sized raise from BTN. Hero said opening to $25 would result in a call train. Okay, open to $75 then. Now villain has decision #1 to make - call or raise (because he’s certainly defending his straddle with damn near ATC on the BTN).
If he raises our $75 and we jam, we probably get called by a wider range than what’s willing to call a $40 -> $475 jam.
If he calls we now have a second opportunity for villain to make mistakes. If villain has 33 and the flop comes T62r and we check it over - what do we think he’ll do? Well he’ll probably bet it to protect his equity vs. our overcards, and perhaps he’ll make a sizing mistake like betting $125 into $150 when a $50 bet would have accomplished the same thing. Now he’s pot committed himself and has a third opportunity to make a mistake calling our xr all-in as the pot is large, it’s not that much more, and he can’t bear the thought that he got bluffed by AK and needs to see the proof.
Given the entirely qualitative and anecdotal “read” on villain, I want to milk this villain and give him the rope at every possible turn to hang himself. If instead OP says this villain will call off $425 with T2s then obviously there’s nothing to discuss beyond “shove every equity advantage and embrace the variance.” But those villains are few and far between and l/rr jam does nothing to help you improve as a player in developing exploitative adjustments when encountering a similar but slightly less maniacal villain in the future.
