V1 1k - Solid TAG. Open raises most hands when he is first in, raises most hands if limps to him, limps on occasion. Capable of raising SCs up to premiums. Classify as TAG not LAG from what I've seen from the 100 or so hands I've played with him. I saw him raise Q9s UTG+2 an hour previous.

V2 600- 5-10 player Gnitty.

V3 500 - 5-10 Player Gnitty as well.

V4 300 - Standard donk. Not to worried about him.

Hero covers - Solid TAG image. Have shown willingness to play for stacks, hero call, and bet thin.

Hand: V1 MP open raises to 20, V2 V3 V4 calls.

Hero is in the SB with K10o.

a) 3! or Fold?
b) If we 3! how much.
c) If we 3! to x and he goes to 2x, 5! or fold?

I fold. You're getting called here by someone too often to make this profitable.

In game I probably call, but that pretty bad. I hate folding a decent hand getting better than 6-1. I would call to smash the flop.

Squeeze is fine if your read is that V2 or V3 would 3bet premiums and V4 won't call off super wide. Would go $120.

Fold. We are against too many players, and V4 might be a problem if we 3-bet, since a donk might just go with A-X or KJ/KQ.

Additionally, say we get called by the PFR and flop top pair. We are in for some tough, tough close decisions and we have little bluff equity since we're OOP and the effective stacks would be so shallow.

this. id 3bet to $100 since it should accomplish the same as $120. without better reads id lean towards fold usually. flatting is pretty bad pre, even with KTs, you're just not going to hit hard often enough.

A little over pot sized bet is the general rule ?

This is a standard squeeze spot... It would be even better if donk was between the nitty players but w e pretty fkn good spot... Mp range shldnt be too tight...

Obv if he raises us we fold... We have K10ffs

The occasional squeeze vs. a loose opener should be part of your arsenal. If you're going to make this your spot, $85-$100 is right. Gotta fold to a 4!. I think I've done one 5! bluff ever, and it was online 6-max where we had some history. And I'm pretty sure I was 300bb deep. The pot is kind of bloated from the callers, and you aren't very deep, so there's not enough fold equity to get fancy with a 5!.

What koss said

I kinda hate 3b! KTo here because of the RIO if we hit TP if V calls the 3b 200bb deep. Also the fact that it seems V hasn't gotten too far out of line(since you classified him more as a TAG) I'd rather 3b! with a hand like 95s here honestly.

V1 1k - Solid TAG. Open raises most hands when he is first in, raises most hands if limps to him, limps on occasion. Capable of raising SCs up to premiums. Classify as TAG not LAG from what I've seen from the 100 or so hands I've played with him. I saw him raise Q9s UTG+2 an hour previous.

V2 600- 5-10 player Gnitty.

V3 500 - 5-10 Player Gnitty as well.

V4 300 - Standard donk. Not to worried about him.

Hero covers - Solid TAG image. Have shown willingness to play for stacks, hero call, and bet thin.

Hand: V1 MP open raises to 20, V2 V3 V4 calls.

Hero is in the SB with K10o.

Hero 3! to 120, Villain 4! to 250 Hero folds.

Super standard squeeze spot imo... I've never 5! bluffed in live poker so I don't really have experience with it. I think his range here is mostly QQ AA and some JJ, KK, and 4! bluffs.

I suppose I shouldn't really be thinking about 5! bluffing too much in live poker. But I think it has potential vs. some players. I'll fight to the death for every pot and shred of +EV. I guess i'm looking for someone to convince me I should have 5! lol.

Unless V thinks your squeeze range is super wide and is capable of 4bet bluffing this isn't the spot for a 5bet, not to mention this is one of the worst hands to do it with.

I think the first part is pretty true. I'm not quite sure if V is capable of 4! bluffing.

Just curious, What hands are good to do it with? I'd think Ax for blocker value.

I think the general guideline is:

1. Don't squeeze with hands that you can profitably call with.
2. Pick from the best hands that you normally would fold
3. Don't squeeze with hands that are dominated by the hands your opponents will call with.

So say in a given spot you think you can call with 87s or 86s, but 85s is too loose, that's a hand you can elect to squeeze with.

The reason KTo is bad is because if you flop top pair you're already representing a stronger hand on that board based on PF action, so you're essentially in a spot where you're bluffing with top pair.

I don't like 3 betting K10o. And if you are, are you considering your 3 betting range polarized or merged? K10o would make me lean towards you having a merged 3 betting range which would make sense against players who call 3 bets too much. But it's too weak to be in a merged 3 betting range. I'd rather 3 bet with K5s here or even KJs.

I'm folding.

I see a lot of people saying "super standard" squeeze spot. If any of the Vs are competent shouldn't they know this? And wouldn't that make it a bad spot to squeeze? Or does this just get through often enough where we have to do it...?

As long as we don't abuse squeeze opportunities most villains will let us "get away with one" They aren't likely to put a significant chunk of their stack in with a speculative hand, or re-bluff their stack, vs an unknown. As you build a wild image you have to scale it back, but I will pounce on these opportunities if I've been quiet lately.

Not trying to hijack too much here, but one other question about this spot.

When V1 flats and the others fold, what sort of range do you give him? Do we assume he 4b KK+ and folds small pairs, Axs, and SCs, SGs, etc, leaving a range weighted to TT-QQ, AK? Do we think he'll fold to a healthy sized c-bet on ragged flops a high % of the time? Do we think he ever floats OTF w AK just to see whether or not we check the turn?

Grunch:

I'd default to folding here. OOP sucks. Sure their ranges are pretty weak, lots of small pocket pairs, and suited connectors, but the OR can make our life difficult if he flats IP and anyone else comes along.

If we were suited I think some % of the time I would 3bet here but I think our hand is just too weak and dominated too often to squeeze here.

Also, if we had the same action to us on the button, I would be more inclined to squeeze here having position post can be really helpful.

Yeah suited aces would be the best hands. Small pocket pairs are pretty good too but in this spot it's probably more profitable just to call and set mine. Spots where small pocket pairs can be a good 3bet/5bet are spots where it isn't profitable to set mine like sb or bb vs. a wide btn open and there is a wide 3bet/4bet dynamic established already.

I can't profitably call with this hand, I would normally fold it. I'm nearly never playing the cards if this gets to flop. This is purely playing the player. I'm not worried about stacking off with a dominated one pair hand because I won't.

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I'll fire one on the flop, I think this guy will fold 1010-QQ and doubt he will float with AK. If he does, he wins. But I don't think he does often enough.

The button would be great, but sometimes we just get these opportunities OOP and they are still +EV. I'm not playing the cards here. I like the K because it blocks some combos of his big hands.

I honestly don't think i'd ever 3!5! with small pockets OOP multiway. And I'd prefer to just play postflop poker in a smaller pot on a button vs. blind situation heads up or 3 way normally if i'm in the blind. I've only been on a table once in the last few months where there was a solid ultraLAG whose 4! range would be wide enough to 5! bluff and have her fold. I would have felt like such a baller if I could have pulled it off but the situation never arose.

fold

wrt 3b hand selection here, you should be aware that if called in one spot you will be getting to the flop with an spr of ~1, so hi-card hand strength is going to be more important than suited/connectedness in terms of playability. KTo doesnt really do well against a calling range, and the T blocks some of the hands we want him to fold. unless you have some specific reason to think that the other players are going to mostly only either jam/fold, then youd be much better off having a linear 3b range with hands that have good hi-card value and blockers, like KQo.

I'm almost never getting to the flop with any player other than V1. I'm putting in 120 to win 80. I think my success rate here is more than enough to make this +EV.

Postflop poker is hard with 22-55 OOP against a decent player with a wide range.