In an effort to be nice lol. This is AA, KK 90% of the time as has already been mentioned by several posters. And SB gave the read that this is the mortal nuts from this player. AA. In an effort to be nice I am not going to read or comment on anything past your first ridiculous sentence.

Even with the limper, 75 seems too high.

A limp-3! shove is not as strong as a limp-3! deep. There will be less than half pot left if villain calls the big raise. Is he folding premium hands worse than KK? I would normally call the shove figuring there is some AK or whatever. It could be a fold based on reads.

Reminds me of this

idk man i trust the wizard

thread is frustrating in the sense that people claim to have perfect population / villain tendencies on a spot there's no way anyone has experienced in any kind of significant sample (how many times have you seen a 35bb stack limp jam, then factor in w 5 limps and the abnormally large raise size and the straddle on) while deciding to ignore actual evidence that contradicts what they're saying (the showdown). some blame i think for the way the OP is structured but i think it mostly just shows that even guys that are snug when deeper are willing to stack off lighter than the nuts when they are shorter and there's more dead money, moreso preflop. also its very difficult to solve preflop spots if you're unwilling to do / look at math or examine assumptions at all particularly vs people that dont study and have a consistent strategy.

Ok maybe I should elaborate my OP as I used a bit of flare. I'll be a little more direct here. There's three old asian men in this room. One I haven't seen in awhile. Let's call them V1, V2 and V3.

V1 - the guy I haven't seen in awhile. This guy literally sits at the table for 8 hours and plays 1-2 hands. I have never played a hand with him.

V2 - comes every day and buys in for 100-150$ 2-3 times and either busts those 2-3 times or goes up to 300$ and leaves. He will call behind with QJs and stuff. He'll shove big draws and whatever else. Pair+draw. Like AJhh on a Js-6h-2h board is the bottom of his shoving range.

V3 - the guy in the OP. Much more similar to V2 than V1. But buys in a bit deeper like 250-350. Dribbles down 3$-15$ playing 10% of hands until suddenly WHAMO! All-in for 4x pot on a Q-6-3r where he limp/called QQ.

What happened in this hand (and happens to me a bit when one of these guys is at my table) brutal honesty, is I just forget about them. I forget they exist. Because they either fold pre for zero or they limp/fold. Or they called the PFO and I 3-bet and they call/folded. If they make it to a flop with me then alarm bells go off for me but otherwise I just forget their existence because it's like playing with an empty seat. No idea really how to adjust...I just overfold a lot the minute they show any interest in the hand. They'll often win the most ridiculously small pots with hands like quads.

Yeah, the it seems like you have odds to call the limp/jam, as you cannot assume villain is only doing this with a big pp.

How many times have I seen 35bb stack limp jam? Probably 30. Its always AA or KK. 30/30. 100%. “But the wizard says lol so everyone is wrong because of unwillingness to look at my superior math and the wizard.” “Some blame
OP but thats just wrong because everyone who does not believe in my math or the wizrd will always be wrong because it is definitive proof regardless of OPs read because it shpows OPs read was right but this guy is not quite lined up with OPs read”. “Particularly you have not studied like me so you do not know what is the proper poker, and you are unwilling to look at all this superior knowledge”.

100%. Submersible is 100% that guy on the broom.

1st off I agree vs a population read we have preflop odds, not dis-agreeing with that.

If we have any kind of reading skills at all and limit this V to AA then we don't have odds.

so is it a bigger mistake this one time to trust our read and fold or to set aside our read and call/shove every time in this spot ?

Wizard, stovepipe, GTO , etc..... don't take into consideration reads and base the solution on population reads.

great we can eeek out small wins or break even playing this way or we can improve our reading skills and make more $$$$$.

I see it every day, guy raises KK or QQ and gets 3-bet by OMC-nit and calls or shoves only to see AA and says I can't fold there .

I always say the same thing would you have folded 33 or 44 ? set mining is set mining

With this villain being the first to limp the straddle, alarm bells should be going off. So I would often just take my awesome setmining odds here and overlimp. Putting in so much of our stack when we could easily face a limp/reraise and face a stoopid spot is very meh, imo.

Does he just limp/call AK? If so, pretty easy preflop fold. But if he can limp/reraise AK, then we'd have to math it out, and I'm too lazy to do that.

ETA: Lol @ comments. I'm definitely old but I'm fairly positive I'm not Asian. But love his line (of which he is *printing* with in this game) and he's a man after my own heart.

Gcluelesslimp/reraisingnoobG

Hero explains to the table what the guy who is annoying is doing. Annoying guy starts losing money left and right as everyone starts raising and calling with garbage. Hilarity ensues.

You can' t tell people what to do in a hand, but you can talk about people when there's not a hand of they're not in a hand.

A limp/shove is not the same as a limp/3-bet deep, and is often AK or maybe AQ or a middle pp.