2 (button)-2 (Sb)-3 (BB) blind structure

game is fairly nitty. several old men.

100 bb deep

i open $15 CO with JJ, unknown covers me 3b to $45 i call

flop 975r i c/c $60

turn 4 complete rainbow, c/c

river 8 i check ( i checked because what worse hand calls a bet that he takes this action with?), he bets $100 and i?

The 4 on the turn doesn't really do anything. 86 was there already and unlikely in your range. 63 is not in your range.

How positional aware is he? Is he expecting a wide range from you on the button and therefore widens his 3 bet range or is it fair to default at AK and Qq+? I'm assuming he's on the button since you're acting first.

It feels like AK who now feels safe taking a second stab now it appears you don't have a set or 2p. I feel QQ+ would likely barrel turn, but an Uber mubsy might not.

I probably sigh call it off.

villain was OTB, older than 40 but younger than 60 years old


i really dont know what his pf 3bet range is here, only played like 10 hands with him

because i didnt know i was defaulting to standard non OMC range here which is like TT-AA, AK, AQ, so i thought calling pre was best

Would be a pretty sick thin value here - so I’d call.

You called a cbet, and then he fires river scare card anyway. Looks like thin value with QQ+. I dont normally espouse putting people on such narrow ranges, however my biggest leak is paying off rivers exactly in spots like this; hands with tremendous showdown value that beat a lot of bluffs..... and then get owned. And of course I do this because I exaggerate my memories of picking off bluffs against AK when in reality I'm sure it's a huge nosedive for my showdown winnings.

Be disciplined and fold. Good players are going to get bluffed sometimes, which is compounded by the fact that a lot of live players valuebluff, like jamming allin with QQ on a 554 flop into 4 players and being shocked when they're up against a boat. Because of stuff like this you feel you have to call down lighter sometimes because their aggression makes no sense when you have the range advantage. They just bet the raw strength of their hands, what you might have doenst matter. This guy looks to be betting his. And you know, if he was bluffing here, good for him, thats the value of having the BTN.

Jamming QQ on 554 flop vs HU and betting $100 on river when your opponent looks super weak are so not the same.

What im trying to highlight is that your average rec auto-bets. Their only range assessment of you is "I put you on AK" . This compels you to make some light calls but also some painful folds because your opponent never knows when he's bluffing.

It looks insanely nitty, but I would just fold all streets. Older guy in an OMC 1/3 game 3b is already insane strong, and even if he have the raw equity, we are oop and going to be in a world of pain post. We probably have to call once on every flop where AK misses and then give him 2 free cards to hit. We have nowhere near the odds to setmine, especially if we count the additional at least one bet we pay off to QQ-AA. There's some chance for set over set too and basically never in our favour. We win a big pot 10-15% of the time when we flop a set and hold and some smaller pots when he misses his AK-AQ etc. and lets us show down. If he somehow wasn't a nit he would just run us over because we give him credit for this strong of a range. Looks like a very losing situation, so I'm already folding pre.

Flop is very close, but he reps QQ-AA really credibly and we aren't in that great of a shape vs two overs to jacks when we call, so I'm folding again. It does suck when he proudly shows TT and gives a speech about how hard it is to win with it.

Turn is hard to comment without sizing, but in my experience this type very often just checks back AK unimproved, so I want to fold again. Then otr I don't know the pot size, but I would snapfold if the bet was more than 1/4 pot and only call less because he might do this with TT, JJ, or something very random once every ten years or so.

turn went check/check FWIW. i would have folded to a turn bomb

this is probably correct and probably my biggest leak too.

i suspect the correct adjustment vs. the "field" as a default is to fold to any big river bets with "bluff catcher" hands vs. everyone unless they prove they can bluff.

it is also possible that i was subconsciously being a calling station because in my last session i played against LAGS who did bluff, alot.

Oh, I see, use x for check and c for call, so you can't be misunderstood.

Then I'd call it off. I can't imagine him having an op here and also don't see him have 6. A6s and 65s/67s is not the type of hands that these middle age recs find 3bs with, kind of the same with sets. I could see him turn up with JTs sometimes, but that's one hand, you double block it and again, he's likely to just flat that pre. I'm pretty excited to call this tbh, he's barely repping anything and it's a 'scary' looking river for a weaker player so he might attack it. I'd expect to be shown mostly AK.

Just mucking pre and flop is still the best imo.

There's no obvious answer here. It largely comes down to what you think at the table and your tolerance for risk. If you play a lower risk style then good for him massive bet. Otherwise...

This is assuming he's one of the normal players at the table who plays straight forward and only 3-bets premium hands.

- 2/3 so his 3-bet range is QQ, KK, AA, AK. Doubt he does that with JJ and J10 as you block them.
- You have to spend $100 to go up $160, so you don't always have to be right.
- He doesn't have a 6 in his range.
- Do OMC's bet that flop? Some do, but some definitely don't. Do they bet the turn? No.
- Who bets the river like that? AA, KK, QQ would most often take their equity and check call

I'd call personally as it doesn't make sense. Personally, I'd talk it out to him like "only an idiot with an overpair would bet like that" for table dynamic purposes. If he did that with KK and you called, it's a really stupid move on his part, but I'd call.

Do we get a hint on what happened?

villain had A6s

played it fine imo. maybe flop bet is bit big but w/e. he knows that board misses my range.

didnt realize 1/3 had the caliber of players who correctly 3b button light with suited Ax hands. such is the value of 3betting light, hard to put you on hands

I would keep blasting off with a 6x hand on turn as villain. So hero should call river.

A6 makes sense - but the way he played the hand, 3betting with A6s is a leak.

Clearly he doesn’t understand board texture and just got really lucky.

This is just a good example of giant leak masquerading as a good play because he won.

While surprising at LLSNL I wouldnt say it's a leak. All things considered 3betting your range is probably superior than calling HU. You take initiative and reduce your opponent to a more face-up style of play since most people at that point just put you on a big hand and are trying to bink a set or big draw. Personally with hands that tend to have your opponent drawing dead like Ace high flushes I prefer to just call and let them commit to building the pot but I can see it going either way.

Wouldn't have guessed that but was thinking 88 and JTs make sense. As in, outside the nitty box preflop, standard cbet on board that looks decent for actual hand, cautious turn play when the pot is getting big, and fat value when the nuttish hand is made. I'm not an omc but have played in that mindset at times.

In your spot, I would also have a hard time folding bc it does not look like a better overpair- which absolutely would have bet on the blank turn. But it's also hard to see this as a bluff. Maybe thin value with like TT or A9s. Shrug call.

H is playing JJ oop in a standard way. H gets pretty good runout for range and his exact hand - low rainbow cards. And is confused on river.

If we aren't prepared to call down this runout, we should have folded pre or 4b/fold and save ourselves some aggravation.

V has A6s so we reload and get our money back if he leaks like this.

Co vs btn should be a very aggro dynamic and A6s is a fine 3b imo

Actually not surprised at all. I think it’s great if more people open their 3bet range.

I would probably fold to the 3bet OOP in a nitty game with old guys.

As played, I would fold the flop.

Weird river spot. Usually people who pot control on the turn with an overpair just check back this stoopid runout on the river. But a lot also take their showdown value with A high too. Are we really up against QJ/etc. enough? This is another reason I fold on earlier streets; we're readless OOP, which is going to be difficult to navigate.

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That makes your whole line pretty good, take a note, nh. Against this guy you can actually 4b/stack off JJ in these positions.

lol - nice adjustment *sarcasm.

I was going to say "call; what sixes does the villain have in their three-betting range?" but I saw the result.

Three-betting linear and relatively wide against the duffers who play live low-stakes NL is a reasonable strategy, because those duffers call too much preflop, don't four-bet enough; and they miss too often on the flop, and you can c-bet them to death.

In a tough online 6max game, JJ in the CO is an easy four-bet versus a button three-bet of our open. Now that you know the guy to your left three-bets A6s in that spot (A5s and A4s are three-bets, A6s is a flat), you should tighten up your opening range a bit (because it sucks to get three-bet often) and, within that range, widen your four-betting range.

Dont like it. Villain can just 3bet you with impunity and fold to your 4bets since thats the only time it'll be for value. I think a better line is to call his 3bets wide and x/r a lot of random flops exactly like this one since we should have the nut advantage when calling preflop.