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Did I butcher this hand? Did I butcher this hand?

01-21-2012 , 02:36 PM
2-5 NL. Full table. Game has been running average. No huge stacks, no extreme LAGs. Basic 2-5. A lot of flops are seen 4 or 5 way limped.

Villian in early position. Seems like a solid player. Recently lost a big pot with KK vrs AA.

Hero in late position. Heros image is tight/solid

The hand: Both villian and hero have about $800. Hero has A7o.

Villian limps, 3 others limp hero limps, both blinds are in.
7 players pot $35

Flop A 7 4 rainbow.

All check to hero who bets 25 only villian calls. Pot $85

Turn. 2h. This puts 2 hearts on board

Villian checks and hero bets $75. Villian check raises to $150. Hero makes it 400 and villian tanks for about two minutes and pushes around $300. Hero folds.
01-21-2012 , 02:52 PM
Tough spot. You could either be up against a worse 2-pair or a 44.

I probably call.
01-21-2012 , 02:55 PM
Don't 3 bet turn if you're going to fold when he shoves.
01-21-2012 , 02:57 PM
I don't know how I'm ever folding here.
01-21-2012 , 02:59 PM
Yes.

When villain check/raises the turn, we should just call the check raise and re-evaluate on the river (we're probably snap-calling a river lead or betting for value if checked to). We do this to keep worse hands in, to induce bluffs from draws most of which are going to miss by the river and to a lesser extent for pot control because it was a limped multiway pot meaning a set is more likely than usual.

As played, once we pop it to 400, we have made a decision that we can get value from worse 2 pair hands. We should therefore be prepared to commit to the hand. Folding is bad at that point.
01-21-2012 , 02:59 PM
Pre flop I think it's probably unprofitable to be calling A7 on a table of solid/halfway competent players which I think is what you are describing.

Flop and initial turn bet is fine once he min check raises he either has sets, 56 or some kind of combo draw like Ah xh. I think his range is probably skewed towards made hands. I think call and see what he does OTR. Fold to a big bet
01-21-2012 , 03:53 PM
If you're going $400, you have no choice but to get it in after that. As they said before, calling his repop on the turn is better than the huge raise.
01-21-2012 , 03:58 PM
Villain had the stone nuts with 35s, villain wasn't truly tanking just hollywooding
01-21-2012 , 04:03 PM
pre: fold. the only flops you're ever gonna be happy about are when you hit 2pair, and we see how that worked out for you here. suited is a completely different story, but A7o is a fold imo.

flop: OK

turn: you absolutely must flat his raise or be willing to get it in after you 3b. reraising and folding is really bad.
01-21-2012 , 04:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by elliott44
Villian checks and hero bets $75. Villian check raises to $150. Hero makes it 400 and villian tanks for about two minutes and pushes around $300. Hero folds.
haha expert
01-21-2012 , 06:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SABR42
haha expert
Thanks. That certainly was a helpful response.
01-21-2012 , 07:44 PM
Gross spot. You're almost always beat when he shoves, but you really can't fold for another $300 after sticking $400 in on the turn alone.
01-21-2012 , 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by elliott44
2-5 NL. Full table. Game has been running average. No huge stacks, no extreme LAGs. Basic 2-5. A lot of flops are seen 4 or 5 way limped.

Villian in early position. Seems like a solid player. Recently lost a big pot with KK vrs AA.

Hero in late position. Heros image is tight/solid

The hand: Both villian and hero have about $800. Hero has A7o.

Villian limps, 3 others limp hero limps, both blinds are in.
7 players pot $35

Flop A 7 4 rainbow.

All check to hero who bets 25 only villian calls. Pot $85

Turn. 2h. This puts 2 hearts on board

Villian checks and hero bets $75. Villian check raises to $150. Hero makes it 400 and villian tanks for about two minutes and pushes around $300. Hero folds.


I like the tank here given he only has another $300 and hero just put in >1/2 stack. I find when they tank in this spot it's real decision time and not hollywooding. Seriously though, did you make this big of a raise intending to fold if you got shoved on? It never ceases to amaze me how seemingly decent players raise and get reraised, then sit there pondering what to do. Don't ever raise with no plan
01-21-2012 , 09:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by elliott44
2-5 NL. Full table. Game has been running average. No huge stacks, no extreme LAGs. Basic 2-5. A lot of flops are seen 4 or 5 way limped.

Villian in early position. Seems like a solid player. Recently lost a big pot with KK vrs AA.

Hero in late position. Heros image is tight/solid

The hand: Both villian and hero have about $800. Hero has A7o.

Villian limps, 3 others limp hero limps, both blinds are in.
7 players pot $35

Flop A 7 4 rainbow.

All check to hero who bets 25 only villian calls. Pot $85

Turn. 2h. This puts 2 hearts on board

Villian checks and hero bets $75. Villian check raises to $150. Hero makes it 400 and villian tanks for about two minutes and pushes around $300. Hero folds.
smells like you are beat.

it's a tough fold, but a good time imo.
01-21-2012 , 09:51 PM
A7o is fold pf. As played I would call, you are probably crushed a lot of the time but you can still beat worse 2p.
01-22-2012 , 01:15 AM
Locked as per new policy in Sticky. Please see the Sticky and the Posting sticky and PM me.

Oh, if you are limping with A7o, you aren't playing tight/solid.
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