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05-20-2014 , 02:49 PM
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I have been experimenting raising or 3b with every BTN and CO in live play lately for two reasons.

1. People tend to believe you more often in live play.

2. To create a maniac image in order to get paid off in other spots.

I just wanted some thoughts and feedback on this strategy as I have been having great success with it live. should I apply this to HJ position as well or would that look too spazzy?

Remember I am talking about live play so no hem numbers are available.

Comments appreciated.
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05-20-2014 , 04:05 PM
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Id go ahead and open even every hand from utg becouse you get more respect as utg opener. So eventually optimal strategy sounds like you should be playing 100 VPIP from all positions.
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05-20-2014 , 04:25 PM
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I forgot to write that it is an either/or play. So I have only been raising one time every orbit during this experiment to keep a balanced approach but it is from one of those two positions. It has been extremely profitable in the sessions I have implemented this.

Obviously if I see thinking players adjusting to my play then there is a re adjustment and this has only been over a few sample sizes.

Was just curious to what people thought about this approach.
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05-20-2014 , 05:24 PM
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Revolution starts now!!!!
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05-20-2014 , 05:28 PM
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05-20-2014 , 11:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MCK86
1. People tend to believe you more often in live play.

2. To create a maniac image in order to get paid off in other spots.

go on...
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05-21-2014 , 09:22 AM
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Good idea. I'd like to watch this strategy first hand but am afraid to try it myself. Where do you play?
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05-21-2014 , 11:33 AM
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Quote:
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I forgot to write that it is an either/or play. So I have only been raising one time every orbit during this experiment to keep a balanced approach but it is from one of those two positions. It has been extremely profitable in the sessions I have implemented this.

Obviously if I see thinking players adjusting to my play then there is a re adjustment and this has only been over a few sample sizes.

Was just curious to what people thought about this approach.
first and probably only serious reply itt before the lock


wait for it

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Spoiler:
generally speaking, even the "better" low stakes regs often don't properly adjust to the frequency someone is doing something

that said, habitually raising garbage IP is not typically going to exploit this from an overall longterm perspective unless you're some ridiculously awesome lag. you essentially play into their hands if they are at all selective, and they will "accidentally" play well against you, trapping you with dominating ranges

fwiw (obv this is to be taken with grain of salt) i actually did a lot of what you describe, just after black friday, for a few full-time months.... was a net loser @ 1/2. it wasn't until i bumped into a better player/coach that i squelched a bunch of leaks by tightening up and mostly abusing limpers with more selectivity

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05-21-2014 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by timmay28
first and probably only serious reply itt before the lock


wait for it

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.

Spoiler:
generally speaking, even the "better" low stakes regs often don't properly adjust to the frequency someone is doing something

that said, habitually raising garbage IP is not typically going to exploit this from an overall longterm perspective unless you're some ridiculously awesome lag. you essentially play into their hands if they are at all selective, and they will "accidentally" play well against you, trapping you with dominating ranges

fwiw (obv this is to be taken with grain of salt) i actually did a lot of what you describe, just after black friday, for a few full-time months.... was a net loser @ 1/2. it wasn't until i bumped into a better player/coach that i squelched a bunch of leaks by tightening up and mostly abusing limpers with more selectivity
Thanks for the reply. Yes I haven't done this for a few months yet just a handful of sessions and I try to avoid playing with the same regs in live play so they don't pick up on anything like this. So I guess I just ran a little better than expected while mixing this into my game.
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05-21-2014 , 10:40 PM
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wasn't your point of doing this to be noticed and get paid off?
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05-21-2014 , 10:48 PM
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wasn't your point of doing this to be noticed and get paid off?
Yes to get noticed and exploit the times when people fold live. I only want to be noticed to a certain extent, just enough to get paid off. If the same ppl play with me again and again then it becomes predictable...
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05-21-2014 , 10:53 PM
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This sounds like a great idea.... Until you run into someone who isn't completely incompetent or actually gets a good starting hand, then all those limped pots get wiped clean away from your stack in 1 pot, unless your a great hand reader.

It sounds like you, indeed, just ran hot that session.

Gl, keep us posted how it's workibg
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05-22-2014 , 11:17 AM
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If you consistently got things HU with this play, my guess is that it wouldn't be too horrendous as HU in position with initiative should be +EV in the long haul. The problem is that at live tables it is sometimes very difficult to get things HU and after a string of limpers you'll often be going multiway to the flop (where having the initiative is almost worthless). And of course it will become even more difficult to thin the field once a couple players start catching on that you are raising your CO/Button every single time.

GgoodluckG
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