I'm seen as fairly tight with the biggest stack on the table over 200BB deep. Villain is 30s regular who had been moderately active so far.

Villain and I are both 200BB deep effectively.

I get 33 in the BB - Villain UTG+1 leads with 30.
Everyone else folds.
I call 30.

Flop Td 6h 3d. About 60 in the pot.
I check, expecting to check raise.
Villain checks the flop.

Turn Jh. Pot is still about 60.
I bet 30.
Villain raises to 90.
I raise to 300.
Villain waits a couple seconds then announces All In.
Pot is now 1260 with about 600 more to call.

Hero..

I guess it could be a draw, something like KQhh or AKhh, but smells like a slow played TT, possibly 66. I think JJ and JT almost always c-bet, and I also think he c-bets almost his entire range on this flop so the check behind is also fishy. Also your 3 bet on the turn screams strength and yet he's completely unperturbed.

I guess you've got to find a fold. Not sure I ever would...

I probably just fold this pre. Single raised pot OOP vs. EP open - you’re just never stacking this guy and x/f the best hand way too often.

I wouldn’t have 3! the turn if I wasn’t prepared to GII.

I don’t understand the question?? I’d snap call and expect to be ahead well more than 1/2 the time. Could be any over pair, J10 or sets. Super easy call in my tiny brain.

Overpairs and JT are rarely checking this flop.

Fold pre unless utg +1 is a whale

>Fold pre unless utg +1 is a whale

I'm thinking this is good advice.

I saw villain raise pre similarly before with TT.

I ended up folding this hand though, and he showed JK.

It felt like a mistake on his part to stack off there but let me know if I'm wrong.

My mistakes I think were not folding pre to this regular, 3 betting the turn without intention to get it in.

Also like someone said, he's betting JJ and JT on the flop. He might slow play TT or 66 but I think those are a small number of his range, enough to justify calling after he shoves.

Thoughts?
Thanks guys for this.

Brutal. You’ve pretty much announced you have a set and V 4b jams anyway. If he has something other than TT I will be pretty surprised. Close one...but he prob has TT. Overpairs and JT both bet this flop and overpairs aren’t jamming in 1200 on the turn after getting 3b unless they are ******ed whales. Hard to fold sets though.

Man that's a tough spot to be put in w bottom set. Terrible play by villain imo he's crushed when he's called pretty much always. I think you probably should have folded there but it is a really tough decision. He could have some combo draw or two pair hands that you'll be ahead of but will still have equity against you but also you'll see better sets that have you drawing to one out. Also in the future try to plan ahead and be prepared for the villain to move in. When you 3bet the turn you should know that it's a possibility you're gonna get jammed on and should know if you wanna go with your hand or not. Also if you call with this hand preflop you need to be willing to check raise it sometimes as a bluff. If not the cbets with air will make this a -EV play.

Don’t ever fold this pre to a live 2/5 reg

Good line by you i think

Now prob sigh cawl. Sick spot for sure

Can villain checkback jj on this flop? Otherwise, we only lose to tt and there are plenty of other hands like 2 overs + fd that might take this line so seems standard to call it off

Okay now I'm thinking calling pre isn't a horrible idea. Especially if check raising bluff the flop sometimes.
I'm wondering if he would really shove this turn with 2 overs.
I don't feel terrible folding because it screamed TT to me.
It feels borderline but I want to lean toward calling his shove especially since I've already 3 bet the turn. Otherwise no reason to 3bet. Just really expected him to fold. Guess I learned to plan ahead better from this example.
I wonder if I have a tendency to give some regulars too much credit just cause they're regulars. Anybody else have this problem?...

Thanks gents

im fine with the fold. wow JK huh. looks like you'll get that $$ later if he keeps that up

AKh, KQh and both take this line. But that’s 2 combinations out of 1300. I’d say there’s maybe a 25 pct chance he’d play AA-QQ this way (call it 4 of 18 combos). So you’re beating 6 and 2 of those have about 30 percent equity to catch you.)

TT and 66 are 6 combos that are crushing you. JJ also but I think the flop check discounts that to maybe 1 combo.

You could probably go either way. I doubt I could fold.


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Saw the results, and that's a sick bluff. I guess he has the J so blocker to top set, and you're seen as a tight player who won't stack off without the nuts so he has a chance there. But given the pot odds of 2:1 I'm not sure how he imagined you'd fold after 3betting.

I agree with this, but generally you think after 3betting turn that you're going to be the one betting it all-in. The 4b changes things a bit. Tough spot.

I've now read the results. I don't see how you can put him on that hand. Only way someone could make that play against the line you've taken is if you look like a nit who is easy to push around.

You said you look tight to the table, but there's a difference between being tight preflop and tight postflop, where you've laid down before to big bets on the turn and river. If it's the latter, and you think this guy is paying attention, then I guess that would push you more toward looking him up.

You would definitely have that image after this hand, so in future hands you'd probably have to call a little wider when facing aggression.

Can't really fold to the jam when it's only like a hp bet more, unless he was the biggest nit in the world. There are draws there which help our case (not only can he have them but he might think they're in our perceived range as well).

If villain is good,like internet balanced check back range good, then this is more likely jj than 10-10.As Played shrug call and try to think if you have have any bluffs/semi bluffs on the turn before you donk bet/three bet a checked through flop. That way bottom set won't be a bluff and you can snap this next time.

fold pre is pry good vs 6x open being oop to one guy 200b deep

leading turn after pfr x'ed flop is not a donk bet.

What hands does V have on turn that don't bet flop? Heavily weighted towards heart combo draws. Ak, Aq, Kq hearts.

if V check back 10 10 or JJ on this flop then its a cooler and WP to him, otherwise im probably going to sigh call not be happy with it but ur ahead vs his combo draws which again should make up the majority of his range therefore making this a call.

Also why are u going to reraise him to 300 if ur not planning on calling a shove? Then just flat his 90$ and check call any river.. That way u can at least get to showdown..

U need to think about why ur making each decision and how to react given V's answer

Not super happy, but obviously never folding. Also, I don't think 200bb is considered particularly 'deep' in live poker, especially because of the opening sizings (6x in this case e.g.). I don't really care for your 3bet sizing on the turn. I'd prefer ~250, to make him think he still has some FE left if he shoves. Then you'd have an easier call.

If I'm just not willing to stack-off on this turn, I'd rather call his raise and try if I can get some more out of him on the river. But I'd really hate to have to c/f a heart if he bombs river. All in all, it's a standard stack-off in my book.