Villian 1 is where we are making are money if a pot gets to big he will try and make a move for it also he isn't afraid to gamble. Will bluff but no big bet bluffs.

Villain 2 is a thinking TAG and considers us most likely as tight weak.

Villain 1 450$ is Utg+2 opens the pot for 15 this takes away a lot of his bigger hands he would make it 20 with AK AQ and decent pocket pairs. So his range is wide.

Hero 1100 look down at 44 elects to call. This makes our hand pretty obvious to the thinking players at the table as were in middle position. But the goal is simply to set mine as most of the players behind don't three bet.

Villain 2 in high jack makes it 60. He is a tight player but this sizing makes me wonder if he is trying to steal.

Folds to villain 1 who calls hero calls as well.

Flop:A35

Villain 1 checks

Hero checks

Villain 2 bets 100

Villain 1 folds

Hero?




i didn't bet the flop because I think the villain raises us with a large portion of his range on this flop. But I would like to here arguments for betting it. Also based on a read I do believe the villain hit this flop. I'm not sure how to proceed.

Fold. What turn card do you want to see? What are you going to do when you whiff the turn, check, and he fires $200? That pretty little deuce isn't gonna hit the turn that often.

Fold to the V who is a thinking TAG and whom you believe hit the flop.

You say you're deep but V1 isnt even full stacked. How much is V2 sitting on? This is really a fold preflop after the 3bet since you're now OOP against a possible squeeze which means even if you hit your set you've lost your implied odds. Unless he's sitting on like $700+ I pitch it, unless I had position on him with the option to take it away when they all checked to me. As played just check fold. Your profit in poker isnt going to come from soul reads. It comes from making big hands. If you continue past the flop you are making a losing move overall. Try to think back at every big pot you ever won and the kind of hands you usually had, I guaranteed it wasnt with a single pair of 4's.

V2's stack size?

I my bad ****ed up edit v2 is on 1000

i'd fold

Even if he is terrible you are just gonna wif the turn so often.

You can make an argument for folding pre if they are decent

Fold on the flop.

I'll mention that the odds you are losing money calling with 44 in MP are high if all you're doing is set mining.

fold

If the pot were heads up, and I had a read on his 3b sizings(guys who make it so small here often have sizing tells) I would consider putting up some resistance, but when he cbets into a 3 way pot, I think this is a pretty clear fold. Our hand is visually sexy but we just can't continue profitably. If you're in the zone and your instincts tell you to not fold, then continuing can be ok though imo.

Pre is OK 200BB deep. You could also just fold. Not sure it's a big deal. Since you're getting 3:1 direct on the call with 20x the bet left in stacks, I think a call is OK, but you are oop, your pair is low, and 20x isn't a ton. I probably make the call, but doubt it matters much.

I would check/fold the flop.

If you call and a 4th club comes in, and he doesn't have one, it's not like you're gonna make any more money. If a 4th club comes in, and he DOES have one, you might lose another bet but more likely you just end up check/folding your flush anyway. He could even take a line such that a club comes in, you check the turn to him, and he (un)intentionally bluffs you off your flush.

If you do check/call the flop it's mostly with the plan to give up on future streets. Some turns cards are OK. Obviously the 2c is sweet. A 6 gives an OESD that's almost always going to be to the effective nuts, though the 6c isn't so hot, and a club river straightening cards may not actually be equity improving or outs. Same with a 7 that gives you a double gutter. So your equity is just very thin and highly discounted and often dominated, and oop you'll just have no maneuverability anyway.

Make a chart. Y-axis is pretty. X-axis is EV. Your hand and this situation is at the upper left hand quadrant - 4c4x looks quite pretty on this board but it's really not very valuable at all oop 3-way facing a c-bet after the 3-bet pre-flop. If V is 3-betting a somewhat wide range, so much of that range includes Ax and better pairs than your 44, anyhow. And playing oop makes it incredibly tough for you to do anything but spew if you do turn a card that seems good (or not) and try to take a creative line (or not).

I know you have a read, and I would agree it's likely V hit the flop given his pre-flop range and the fact that he's 3-way on a monotone board and won't c-bet 100%. He may c-bet a decent frequency... but certainly he actually has a made hand often.

So yeah, check/fold the flop.

Wtf is V2's stack size? If he is short then its a trivial fold. If V2 is deeper then us, and we see V1 fold then we have to consider a C/R ALL IN!

You mentioned villain 2 views you as weak tight, so he is never putting you on a bluff here. He will give you credit for a set at the minimum and most likely the flush. The only hand in his range that may snap us off here is AA, and even then he may fold to us! If he does call with AA then we still have live outs for the flush and the gutshot straight, so we're not in that bad of shape.

We can discount KcQc or KcJc since its unlikely he would 3bet with this hand pre. If he did have these hands I would expect him to slowplay and let 2 opponents catch up to him on the turn.

If this guy is tag, I think his range is prolly 1010 JJ QQ KK AA and AJs AQs AKs. With all of these combos I believe he would cbet close to 100% of the time here in position. All of those hands cannot call an all in on this board except for AA which he still could fold to us if he gives us credit for a flush.

The worst hand he can have in his range against us is Ax Kc or KcKc. He has to assume his outs are thin and that he is an underdog to you. AxQc or QxQc would snap fold since he wont be drawing to the nuts.

Shove here and print money.

The first paragraph makes set-mining a bad idea. I'd much rather set-mine knowing he had a strong hand to pay me off if I hit.

As played you didn't hit your goal/set, so the decision to fold seems simple.

Fold the flop and laugh when the 2 comes on the turn.