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08-19-2010 , 12:39 PM
thx for input

couple hands

i limp kjdd, old man with 500 raises to 12 get 3 callers i also call. flop kj4sss we check he bets 40 folds to me i have like 120$ i flat turn dud i shove. thoughts?

i raise kk btn to 15 get 2 callers flop kt6sss sb leads 10 (different old man) folds to me i raise to 25 he flats. turn 7 he c i bet 35 he calls. river dud he leads 100 i have 120 behind i fold. thoughts?

same spot i raise 15 qjcc 2 callers flop q87hh sb (same old guy) leads 10 i flat. turn 4 he leads 15 i flat. river 2 he leads 15 i raise to 35 thoughts?

the reads on the old men are they are pretty straight-fwd, havent seen them get out of line.
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08-19-2010 , 04:05 PM
hand 1 maybe shove flop? feels like a better line. i mean as played you're shoving any turn anyway, but why give him a free card if he's drawing? A features in old man's holdings often i think. if he flopped the flush so be it but i think with top 2 we have to put the pressure on as early as possible. what was your thought process for flatting OTF?

hand 2 i raise his bullsh*t feeler bet to 35 and make a correspondingly larger bet on the non-spade turn, maybe 4/5 pot. at that point we're easily priced in for the river. i can't see him feeler betting with a flopped flush. unless he turned a gay straight, this feels like TT/66, maybe KT if he's a little looser pre. as played, with $120 behind i shove

hand 3 i'm guessing you flatted flop for pot control here, which i think i'm probably doing too. i dunno, i might just call this down for such a cheap price, with TP jack kicker i think a small pot is what we want. i'm not sure, a raise seems ok too. curious about others' reactions to this one
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08-20-2010 , 11:44 PM
hand 1 i dont want to shove flop cuz if he has a 1-spade hand then i can see the turn card and increase my equity if its a non-spade turn, and fold if it is a spade turn.

bumppp
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08-22-2010 , 05:51 PM
yo so nobody ever responds to my threads, is it the way i present the hand histories or what? are these all std spots?
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08-22-2010 , 06:06 PM
it's because my word is definitive. haha jk i thought these were interesting hands. you could break it down a bit more presentation wise (check out some of my posts for example). it takes a lot more time but i think it increases the chance of lots of good responses
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08-23-2010 , 12:05 AM
Hand 1 you make effectively got the least value you could with your stop and go move on the flop/turn. Shoving the flop gets you the most value by possibly getting the vil to call with a draw and thus putting in the most money behind. Your turn open shove only gets called by hands that beat you and folds out all hands you beat

Hand 2 your bet sizing is horrendous. Bet way way more every street.

Hand 3 what is the river bet accomplishing? It's too small to push him off kq or 2 pair and it's only getting value from q9s or maybe a8, even that's unlikely. I think it's another example of a bet that only gets called by hands that beat you.
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08-23-2010 , 12:31 AM
hand 1 - CRAI flop, not close. LOL @ chk/call and fold on spade turn...

hand 2 - bet more EVERY street. you really messed up flop and turn. you have top set, you should be all in on the turn.

hand 3 - call down, raising there is super thin. never raise QJ there.... maybe AQ but only with like really LAGGY image or something
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