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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
I feel like I end up in this line a lot, that's why I posted it. It goes....
I raise pre, I cbet flop that I whiffed/semi-whiffed, turn check check, river the guy leads and I'm stuck guessing.
Here it's easy to fold but I'm wondering what you guys think of the line up to this point? I was thinking maybe the flop is a chunkier bet (to torture his 88-QQ) or a check back (to pot control and realize equity if we hit our A).
That should happen a lot. As a rule of thumb, something like 2 bluffs for every value hand on flop, 1 bluff for every value hand on the turn, and 2 value for every 1 bluff on the river assuming a pot sized river bet (a little less if we go less than pot, a little more if we got more than pot). You can't win all the pots.
Keep in mind you have some equity vs his range and some showdown value on the turn here. You beat some flush draws. You have clubs you can barrel, also QJ, QT. Even AQ with Ac to bluff clubs.
Preflop I would pure 3bet this, I like it.
Flop I would probably go 1/3. You can range bet for 1/3.
Turn I think things get player dependent. Some players will call flop a lot but overfold to the turn barrel. Villain should still be calling turn barrel for 75% pot some with QQ and JJ type hands. But villain also should fold KQo to the 3bet pre and 4bet almost all of his AK. If villain has more Kx in his range than he should, that's not good for us. But there is still enough QQ, JJ, TT, 88 type hands that it might be worth it if he folds those hands pure on the turn. Depending on player tendencies, we might make an exploitative turn barrel here. I think checking is probably more standard, bit it would be closer the smaller we went on the flop
I think going 1/3 on a lot of flops and 75% on the turn in general tend to be good sizings in a lot of situations. Get a cheap bluff on the flop which potentially lets you see the the river, and also gives you the option to put on the heat on the turn.
Keep in mind we gave up this turn, but if turn was a T or J we could barrel our hand more often. When we bet the flop with range, different hands will often be used to barrel different turns. Unless we decided that villain is just overfolding and we can bluff any two.