It's 2am, and I've just moved from a broken table to a game that is new to me, so few reads. Table is mostly younger guys indian and asian guys, they look like they're college students having a Friday night at the casino but they're not clueless or anything. I am deep ($800) after running well earlier in the night, but covered by the two main villains in UTG and +2.

UTG - young asian guy, no reads
+2 - young indian guy, appears to be with some friends, has a huge stack, no reads. Does not appear to be with UTG, but others at the table

UTG opens to $15 and UTG + 2, CO, and BU all call. I call in the BB with 3c5c.

~$70 in the pot on the flop, which comes 4c6cQs. We have an open-ended straight flush draw. I check with the intention of x/r if UTG c-bets and it folds around to me

That doesn't happen, however. UTG bets $25, +2 raises to $75.

Hero?

This is a pretty interesting spot. I love the original plan against the original raiser as it’s gonna maximize fold equity and we are okay getting it in against their range.

Against the second villain I’m thinking a reasonable range has lots of our flush outs drawing dead. Axcc, KQcc, QJcc etc. they also have sets. Calling here looks real strong and I’m not folding. I think piling in here is not the best move.

My general plan is probably call and see what happens with original raiser and reassess. We will get more information on the then and have some but outs. We are deep enough here. I’m not loving life at all on a club turn where we get more action.

Just call and see a turn - we're 42% against a set and if you reraise you might fold out KQ/AQ type hands and just have sets jam on you. If we make a straight on the turn we'll be highly concealed and can extract value there.

Most likely holdings:

V UTG -TPGK, KK, AA, maybe as low as 88-JJ

V+2 - He can already beat a big pair, there aren't a lot of good 2P hands he would have called pre, I'm thinking he tripped the 6s or 4s

V BU- He's on a big draw like nut flush. If he had a set, he's got to know all this action means slow playing is a danger so he would bet it. He could have bottom 2P or bottom set, but a better FD than you is most likely.

I really think you are on a 2 outer for a nut win. If you make the straight AND the board doesn't pair AND a big flush card doesn't river, you'll also be golden.

Here's the prob, if you don't hit your SFD or OESD on the turn, 8 outs at best, you're going to be facing an AI to see the river. I'm on phone so I can't see if stack sizes justify that risk.

I seriously doubt you have FE with a flop jam. What could V+2 raise to $75 and fold? And if V Bu was priced to his big flush before, his next call gets even easier.

So do you call/pray or fold. I don't think either are good or terrible. I absolutely hate to fold OESFD so it would be a struggle to let this one go. If I was hyped up and sitting on a big stack, I might shove and pray. But I really think the best option is to just make a painful fold.

And after you fold, make a note of this hand being yet another example of why raise or fold pre makes poker life so much easier.

Maybe have only 8 outs.

If you hit one of your 8 cards on the turn I donÂ’t see any way you donÂ’t get the money in good against at least one other player.

UTG most likely hands to lead with are AQ bottom of range or nut flush draw bottom of range. Not counting out 44 vs young player raising utg.

UTG + 1 most likely hands are Same as UTG

Im not sure you have any fold equity and if either has the nut flush draw getting the money in now is probably -EV. Without knowing if they have the nut flush draw, it is probably close.


I close my eyes, call, and pray for a 2 or a 7.

I fold preflop. OOP with a hand that has huge RIO issues (pretty much every good hand it makes will likely be second best if anyone else is willing to get in large $$$ postflop).

I just don't see how we have any FE to this action, which is pretty damn strong. Yeah, the original bet is fairly small, but dude then raises with 3 people still to react plus preflop raiser (who could be checking ok hands this multiway).

With much smaller stacks I think you could argue for a shove and live with results. But getting it in bad here with these big of stacks relative to the pot would be fairly poor.

And I guess we can't fold.

So I guess I call.

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Sneaky tough spot, I like the hand.

I think PF is fine if you aren’t a spazz, you have good relative position to the PFR.

I call here and tread carefully if I hit a non-SF club. If I hit a clean straight it’s pretty well disguised and I would try to CR.

Very interested in this hand.

Thanks for the feedback all, I thought this was an interesting spot especially since we are so deep.

I called, original raiser folds, and we go heads up with UTG +2 to a turn

Turn ($245): 4c6cQs9h

Hero x, Villain bets $150

You might have 15 outs now. I believe there is enough money for direct pot odds to peel. If you hit one of your 8 basically nut outs you can play for stacks. I peel again. Im never raising a draw vs someone who raised flop into three players and bet large on the turn.

Im donking flushes and check raising straights on the river

I'm not going to get out-of-line and attempt to get a flop raiser (who raised into the world) to fold. So long as he's not pushing the same draw, we're getting the immediate odds to call, so that's what I do. Planning on check/folding on river which we don't bink. And probably donking any river we do bink, donking small with the obvious flush (hoping to get paid off) and donking large with the more disguised open-ender (hoping it looks like a busted flush draw).

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I think very standard so far. With last action, a trivially easy call PF.

Good plan on flop. Sorry it didn't work out . Call flop. Now call turn.

How did you come up with 8 outs? Maybe I'm just confused though.

I like calling the flop in the hope of UTG not 3betting. Most 1/3 players won't over bet blank turns on us so we might get direct odds to check/call there again if we missed the turn.

The twos and sevens are all clean. Any other flush might not be.

Call turn and hit the 2d on the river, giving us a straight.

$545 in the pot, so I have around a PSB remaining.

I decide to shove here; I figure that villain is probably checking back hands like a Queen after the flush bricks out and I want to try and induce a call from those hands.

Any feedback on this decision?

You fold out all his bluffs. Your hand is disguised as it can be. He pays off with sets whether you lead or he leads. And I think you fold out a single queen most of the time with your bet size.

Check river or bet $225 to target his most likely holdings

I'm fine with the shove. Villain has shown a boatload of strength and every reasonable main draw busted so we kinda look FOS.

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