surf doc- obv it's very important to take your kid to first day of new school, is being there after Day 1/at pickup super important too iyo? Or just let mom handle that? ty

i haven't posted results yet lol. jrr63 had inquired if i called earlier when villain stuffed with TT.

The kid won't care. (Std) So it really matters what mom thinks. You need a good read here but I have faith in you to make that one easier than the internet kid overbet. If she is pissed off then yes. I don't recall if I was there or not but I don't think it matters.

OK, I just had a family conference and my wife and both kids said they don't think the pickup is important.

Hahahahaha. I had convinced myself the results were that u actually had ak, he stuffed tt, u win, I look smart for once. Carry on...

WTF how does DGAF have AK in a SRP? There seem to be some lasting effects of 4 days on an island without food and stairmasters.

4 limps, I check my option with 86o
Flop 678sss I bet pot, three calls
Turn 6x I bet 80%pot one call by reg girl
River I bet 110%, she shoves for a little less than 3x my bet

I hate life, want to fold
I ask her did you really flop a straight flush?
She says something like "you have A high flush right?"
I start putting some 67s combos in her range, call it off, of course she has it
I'm a station

Sick limp range analysis bro.

Really wanted to fold but her comment threw me off

The comment inclines me to think her range is stronger

+1

yeah def

Yeah i can only be good against the bottom of her range, like I said I'm a station

True Detective - How the hell wasn't this mentioned yet? Best mini-series ever.

You missed out

Those games were insanely good

I am curious if some of the long time pros could comment on PLO.

Will the trend towards PLO continue to grow - or has it peaked? Is live PLO sustainable or does it ruin a room? Has anyone switched over and then gone back to NL - or is PLO a one way trap? ... really any thought on it.

Not a long time pro, but can definitely comment on this. PLO continues to grow IMO, as every card room I go to has some really big games running (and smaller games too now). You can definitely bounce between it and NL, but a lot of people get used to the "I want to see 4 cards, it's more fun" mentality, which hinders them from going back to NL. I do think, however, that there is more money to be made in PLO based on simple logic: More cards, more mistakes. From my experience, some of the biggest winners/gamblers at PLO have mediocre hand selection at best. I think that's enough of a reason to try to play the game as much as possible.

Yeah I got a taste of them when we were looking at houses - looked very promising. I even joined the Arizona Poker Player's Association - run by that ex-judge who was challenging the state on limiting poker to the tribal casinos. He was clearly deluded. At least as I've heard it in Tucson the local tribes sued the local strip rooms and they folded the tent. Not sure what's happening in Phoenix - I gather that some of them have tried keep operating there - I see the occasional news reports of one or more getting busted.

Agree that there is certainly more money to be made playing the 4 card pokers these days but the variance in live PLO cash is pretty terrifying. Every game plays super deep and everyone mashes the pot button at every opportunity. You see 200k+ hand losing graphs from some of the best PLO players in the world and you realize you can run way under EV for a lifetime when you're playing 20 hands an hour.

I had 4 really good options within 10 minutes of my place. Two that ran 5/10 games that were really good.

My favorite game had a webcam where you could see who was playing and approximately the stack sizes. Also the dealers all played and were on the book with what seemed like unlimited credit.

Good times...

PLO has been the "game of the future" for many years. But the bad players go broke pretty fast IME.

This has always been my view on the game.

Also not a PLO pro but I can say a big room in my area started spreading it 2 years ago and what were two very healthy 5/10s with another must move became one meh 5/10 on Saturday nights and 2-3 PLOs. Over the years the 5/10 has completely died and 1-2 PLO games go but they are quieter than the heyday.

I always view how liquid a win or loss will be in the overall poker economy. It's hard for someone to win 400bb+ in a single session in NL and so wins/losses stay "in the sock drawer" so to speak.

But in PLOL it's a common occurrence for a fish/rec/pro to cash out 500+bbs after a session. Put another way, someone is always on a heater in PLO. And when you have a huge score at once it's easier to buy a car / do home repairs / put it all on black.

I just think bigger scores are more easily removed from the poker economy. When someone wins $1K in 5/10 that's coming right back next session. When someone hits $7K in PLO $5K of that might go to a 4 wheeler.

Agree with all of that.

Considering how degen I've seen the PLO player pool to be, it seems like they always bring the money back to the game. I'd say only a small percentage (the less degen recs) take their 7k win and do something wiser with it.

I don't think taking money out of the game is a major concern in PLO. I definitely agree with the variance -- while the first 6-12 months of a plo game can be very juicy, after that the edges degrade such that it is impractical to play for a consistent income stream. Variance is hard enough in live poker; I wouldn't try to increase it further. I am a PLO fish with my recreational money. And then I take money out after my big wins .

There is something to be said for chasing new games as they pop up, especially if you are young and/or without a family. The same goes for no limit games though.

Plenty of locations/rooms where PLO is much tougher than NLH, and the majority of fish are playing the two card game.

I do have to say that PLO games seem to have "legs" in more places than ever before. At least in the rooms I visit when it goes it is usually the biggest game spread with the most potential profit, if you play well and run decently. Also high variance as others note, but the true gamboolers probably think they have a better chance in PLO than NLH (and they are probably right at least in the short term).