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Can you profitable call this 3bet with JdQd? Can you profitable call this 3bet with JdQd?

02-25-2017 , 09:03 PM
2/5 game and hero has like $1400 - has not shown any crazy hands yet, but did fold KQo when I opened to $30 in SB and got limp reraised to $90 by pocket 7's from a fish so maybe villain knows I am capable of folding some of my opens??

Villain has around $600 and just got stacked, and recently rebought. He had top pair and a flush draw vs mid set.

Standard open is $15 - $20

Hero opens JQ to $20 in Mid position
Villain in High jack makes it $65

Hero folds.

Should I of called and if not, what stack depth would you start considering calling?
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02-25-2017 , 09:55 PM
A bit too shallow to defend. SPR will only be 4x. I would want effective stacks >200 BB's and a read that villain 3!'s wider than QQ+/AK since we will need to rely on steal equity when villain c-bet/folds air to make defending +EV.
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02-25-2017 , 10:02 PM
Ez fold.

$1k maybe.
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02-25-2017 , 10:23 PM
you're pretty much always folding this hand to a 3b regardless of stack depth oop vs. someone who is presumably not 3b bluffing often, especially in these positions (although with tight players behind it's fine). QJs is an RIO nightmare, and game conditions that simply don't exist here would need to be in place before defending it should even begin to tickle your mind.

Just think ahead to the flop:

- you're in a gigantic equity deficit
- you lose when you both miss the flop (usually he cbets, you fold. Your check-raising boards overlap his value boards very awkwardly - are you going to check/raise KT2r against villain's 3-bet range? do you really want to start floating/bluffing light in 3b pots oop against tight ranges? not really)
- you lose when you both hit the flop (his range dominates yours in most cases, Qxx flops are preeeety bad)
- you win sort of when you hit the flop and he misses the flop, sometimes (villain has AK, flop comes Qxx, he bets, you call, turn and river check down - he still has at least 24% equity in the hand).
- you have a hard time stacking him when you hit a monster (QJx, he bets with AA... you'll stack him sometimes, sure, but I'm pot-controlling with AA on that flop somewhere along the line as the raiser in position... it's trivial for a decent player to make a good, exploitable fold facing a check/raise on that flop).
- you get stacked really hard on QQx/JJx flops when he has AQ/KQs/AJs (which fine, whatever, it's uncommon but it's 100+bbs down the toilet a small percentage of the time)

Last edited by SameRiverTwice; 02-25-2017 at 10:35 PM.
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02-25-2017 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SameRiverTwice
you're pretty much always folding this hand to a 3b regardless of stack depth oop vs. someone who is presumably not 3b bluffing often, especially in these positions (although with tight players behind it's fine). QJs is an RIO nightmare, and game conditions that simply don't exist here would need to be in place before defending it should even begin to tickle your mind.
Yep this. QJdd is near the bottom of your OR from MP anyway
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02-26-2017 , 04:12 PM
Easy fold under these conditions. Little room to maneuver, oop, weak hand, villain is capable of stacking off with essentially a draw +, there's no reason to try to stay in.
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