1/2 100SL

Game is the typical loose passive pf, SF post.

V1- I have history with. He is way loose pre and l/c's raises it seems almost every 2-3 hands. Post he is pretty SF, will bet some draws, and can be aggro, but for the most part when the big money goes in he has a hand. Generally a check to him will induce a bet.

V2- New to the table, but the standard short stacker, built his stack up a little since buying in. Seem like a passive station who doesnt overvalue too much.

Hero- Been playing tight aggro. I have been known to play loose in these games, but for the most part I sit and wait for the nuts. Not sure if V1 pays attention to that kind of stuff or not, not sure if he has seen me c/r my draws either. (i love me some c/r and probably the only up there that can actually use it properly... at least I think so.... lets see)

V1 - ~300
V2 - ~150
Hero - ~230

V1 limps EP
V2 limps MP
2 more limps
SB completes
Hero checks in BB with K 9

Flop ($12)

9 7 4

SB checks
Hero?

CR terrible

Lead for pot or even $15, play cautiously after that if called.

Lead $8, extracting value from {FD, STR8 draw, 9x}.

I agree.... OTF.... more to it tho...


2 responses so far, both lead... whats our plan on bricks? plan on over cards besides K's?

bricks we fire again maybe 70-75% pot. I bet any overcard as well vs one villain.
Then i would shut down on river.

is check/call really fishy?

also if you lead I think lots of overcards arn't that scary unless you expect villains to call flop with stuff like AJ/KQ...

you're bet/folding a bunch there on turn then?

My plan depends on:

1. The number of callers;
2. The turn card.

If I only get one caller and the turn is 2, I would lead for $20, extracting value from {FD, STR8 draw, 9x}. (Assuming my villain isn't a shark who will recognize the weakness of my line, but you've said all villains are SF.)

If I get 3+ callers and the turn is J, I am check/folding.

Yes and No.

Actually check/folding isn't a horrible option, if the game is filled with very good players/hand-readers. Against players like this, I need position to play TPSK profitably 5+ handed. (Note: we wouldn't limp UTG with K9o for a reason.)

But APD said everyone is SF, so leading is best, IMO.

yes of course.

Wait...you want to c/r on this flop? That has to be a joke. I don't believe it. Check/call is fine...leading for 10 is better.

No I dont want to c/r the flop... But explain why its bad. I have my reasons why its bad, but would like to hear more.

It's bad because a lot of draws on this board will check behind and all of the hands that will bet/call your craise have you beat.

it's bad because there is virtually no money in the pot pf and you're trying to c-raise OOP (obviously) with a marginal hand? seriously. not trying to be a smartass but just bet 3/4 of the pot for value with a solid flop and if called i'd fire again on turn, check/call riv with impending blank (no dangerous runners)

Because your bloating the pot with 1 pair oop in a limped multiway pot with no idea where you stand on half the turn cards that will come.

just recite this principal of cash game poker

small hand, small pot
big hand, big pot

and you will figure it out! good luck.

Agreed, five way, this is a b/f on both flop and turn (maybe not even a bet on turn, depending on the card).

Now, if you lead out, and only V1 calls, I might consider c/r a brick turn...

Hero bets $12
V1 calls $12
V2 calls $12
The rest fold

Turn ($43)

4

Hero?

that card shouldnt be too scary.... lead out $25

Yeah, you'll get a lot of value from Q9, J9, T9 which are all in your opponents range by leading out the flop. Some people will chase with second or third pair. Straight and flush draws are going to contribute to the pot. You're worried about sets and A9 (oh, and two pair). You should find out fast enough if you are up against a set.

Fire again on the turn blank.

Bet ~$25 extracting value from {FD, Str8 Draw, 9X}.

I like the flop lead for all the reasons previously stated. You likely have the best hand and want to charge for value.

On the turn, b/f $25 for value.

This.

With 2 in, this is still a b/f. I go about $30.

Hero checks
V1 bets $25
V2 thinks for a second and then calls
Hero?