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02-26-2015 , 01:29 PM
Caeser's 1/2. Villian is playing about 95/5 and his limp/call percentage has got to be over 90%. Effective stacks are $135.

Villian open limps (obv) button.
SB completes.
I raise to $15 in BB with 99 knowing that he will call with any two for any amount. Villian calls, SB folds.

Flop: K T 2

Cbet or not?
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02-26-2015 , 01:34 PM
I would.

If I didn't, I'm probably not folding to this V. What does he normally do if checked to? What's his post-flop play like? How does he see you?
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02-26-2015 , 01:37 PM
Yes. Unless V also tends to call most flop bets. Cbets typically work well on monochrome flops because V should fold the hands he doesn't have a heart, over 50% of the time.
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02-26-2015 , 01:56 PM
Note: Why are we playing so short?

PF: We should know that since we are only playing 68bb, any decent size post flop betting may commit us to the pot. Are we comfortable playing this hand if overs come? If we are not, then it's best to just check and play the hand to set mine or hope for under cards. If we don't flop a set, and don't cbet overcards, I think that is bad.

I would rather check my option here considering we only have 68bb.

F: Heads Up. Pot is $31. SPR is ~4. Our stack is $120.

I didn't read your question before posting my PF comments. Yes, we need to cbet, unless we know that V is going to call us down with any K, T, or flush draw, BUT, we should of known that anyway before we decided to raise PF. We can't just raise 99 out of the blinds and give up when overcards come. If we we're going to do that, it's just best to check our option pre-flop.
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02-26-2015 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bud Green

I raise to $15 in BB with 99 knowing that he will call with any two for any amount. Villian calls, SB folds.
Mission accomplished we raised and get called as expected. What is our plan post-flop after raising OOP?

We can expect to miss the flop and have overs on-board and still be OOP. I assume our plan is to c-bet expecting V to miss as well.

Follow through and bet but without any info on V's post-flop play that is just the standard auto answer.
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02-26-2015 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Below Zero
Note: Why are we playing so short?
He didn't say he had $135. He said the effective stacks was $135. I know people who buy in for $200 because they believe you need at least 40x your buy in to ensure you don't go broke - if you're a good player.
40x $200.00 is $8,000.00

They don't have 8k. They have 3k or so & don't want to have to sit on the sidelines while building their bankroll back up.

Numbers like 30, 40, 50 have been quoted in mags & books. If you read the bankroll requirements in Miller's Vol II, he quotes 100x.
I think he's talking about playing 6 handed online though.
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02-26-2015 , 04:31 PM
We've got 66.6% equity against a calling range of 64.4%, which diminishes on each street in which V calls.
I be looking for a seat change with him on my right. I don't like being OOP against these type players.

He could be possibly calling you down with JT.
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02-26-2015 , 05:33 PM
Depends on how he plays post. If he is extremely sticky and can bluff when checked too I probably bet for value and bluff catch river. If he is fit fold post I probably bet and check fold turn/river.
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02-26-2015 , 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bud Green
Caeser's 1/2. Villian is playing about 95/5 and his limp/call percentage has got to be over 90%. Effective stacks are $135.
No reason to read further. Don't c-bet.
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02-26-2015 , 06:38 PM
Now that I have read the rest of the post - betting $20 for razor thin value isn't a bad idea. Sounds like the kind of guy who'll call you with worse and then check the rest of the hand through unless he has you beat. I don't get to play against V's with those kind of stats any more though.
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02-26-2015 , 07:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bud Green
Caeser's 1/2. Villian is playing about 95/5 and his limp/call percentage has got to be over 90%. Effective stacks are $135.

Villian open limps (obv) button.
SB completes.
I raise to $15 in BB with 99 knowing that he will call with any two for any amount. Villian calls, SB folds.

Flop: K T 2

Cbet or not?
99's vs 95% range are 71% pf.
on flop we are still %72 vs his range.

I would c-bet pot, planning to get in in on almost all turns... I have 120 and on flop I bet 30 leaving me with 90eff and 90 in pot on the turn...

If he has a K or T, half the time he does't have a heart as a kicker and you are drawing live... I make sure the guys sees my hand if I lose so he knows I'm willing to gamble...

If he will call any amount with any cards, ship all in pre-flop. Raising smaller allows him the chance to catch up for cheaper or worse, fold his 5 high when he misses....


P.S. This is all most likely wrong, but when I am short stacked 100bb or less, in a live game, I am there to gamble. This is probably my shortcoming but I am learning.

GL OP
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02-26-2015 , 09:14 PM
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Caeser's 1/2. Villian is playing about 95/5 and his limp/call percentage has got to be over 90%. Effective stacks are $135.
If this is your read on villain and if he is playing that many hands then your description should include something about his postflop play.

Normally thought I'd think this is a great spot to c-bet and a lot of villains would be afraid of that board. If villains calls you can often check it down, especially against passive players.
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02-26-2015 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Fug
99's vs 95% range are 71% pf.
on flop we are still %72 vs his range.

I would c-bet pot, planning to get in in on almost all turns... I have 120 and on flop I bet 30 leaving me with 90eff and 90 in pot on the turn...

If he has a K or T, half the time he does't have a heart as a kicker and you are drawing live... I make sure the guys sees my hand if I lose so he knows I'm willing to gamble...

If he will call any amount with any cards, ship all in pre-flop. Raising smaller allows him the chance to catch up for cheaper or worse, fold his 5 high when he misses....


P.S. This is all most likely wrong, but when I am short stacked 100bb or less, in a live game, I am there to gamble. This is probably my shortcoming but I am learning.

GL OP
You aren't 72% vs his continuing range.
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02-27-2015 , 01:15 AM
If you aren't exaggerating your villain's preflop tendencies, why did you not raise larger?
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02-27-2015 , 11:04 AM
I am definitely betting this flop, probably would without the 9h too
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