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Bottom set otf facing bet-jam rr of 300bb! Bottom set otf facing bet-jam rr of 300bb!

02-21-2022 , 12:57 AM
Haven’t posted in long time as I’ve been playing so much plo but coming back to some nlh and we’ll…here was a weird one.

2-2 in a 200 cap game but table is deep. I have 600ish behind and image is nitty af. V is lag and gambly has 600+ he makes some large bets but hasn’t really gotten out of line and shows up with hands. He is a bad rec but aggressive and not just totally crazy stupid from what I have seen.

V opens $10 utg+1 and gets 2 callers so I flat 33 otb and bb calls. Flop 3-7-Q rainbow. V leads $10 folded to me and I min raise $20, had reason for weird raise being that this guy has a big ego and would call ATC for the min raise then probably call some smallish value bet on turn for same reason. Bb fold and he just immediately goes all in. Vs lot of players I think only losing to QQ here but he opens loose enough to have the 77 even in ep. He’s not going to have Q7 not that loose. I tank and?
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02-21-2022 , 01:10 AM
Well is he bad enough to 3bet jam a one pair hand here? I don't see many people doing this with top set on a safe board.
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02-21-2022 , 01:23 AM
Either flat or put in a normal raise imo. I think I prefer flatting giving people the chance to make two pair or pick up draws. Flop is dry enough to flat and there are basically zero bad turn cards. Let him barrel again maybe pick up some other action and raise the turn.

As played against the player described, I would sigh call and be accused for slow rolling when they turn over AA KK Qx.
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02-21-2022 , 01:28 AM
But for that many bigs, I’m sort of second guessing my advice to call. Don’t think I’ve ever seen that size of overbet. If you are really viewed as a nit, and this guy understands that maybe you can find a way to lose the minimum here.
I’ve never seen someone “raise for info” with a set and then fold to the bad news though lol.
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02-21-2022 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by QuinnthEskimo
But for that many bigs, I’m sort of second guessing my advice to call. Don’t think I’ve ever seen that size of overbet. If you are really viewed as a nit, and this guy understands that maybe you can find a way to lose the minimum here.
I’ve never seen someone “raise for info” with a set and then fold to the bad news though lol.

Not for info just to drag him in for slightly more as I mentioned he would call with hands like Ax 88 etc then probably x-call $25-30 turns to see river even if he bricks, just how he is.
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02-21-2022 , 02:10 AM
65 64 54 is likely very much in play in addition to 77QQKKAA as described - You've done absolutely nothing to give away the strength of your hand, so if anything, your image as a nit is more likely being used against you for max FE not for max value. You're nowhere near deep enough to where you have any choice other than call.
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02-21-2022 , 05:34 AM
Call
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02-21-2022 , 08:33 AM
It isn't a high 5 the dealer, but it is an easy call.
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02-21-2022 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
65 64 54 is likely very much in play in addition to 77QQKKAA as described - You've done absolutely nothing to give away the strength of your hand, so if anything, your image as a nit is more likely being used against you for max FE not for max value. You're nowhere near deep enough to where you have any choice other than call.

What depth would you consider? This depth is super rare as is bc the 100 bb cap but I figured 300bb deep for almost any game/situation.

I folded which in retrospect is probably just never an acceptable option but such a weird spot in live low stakes game and so deep…I probably snap if there’s any kind of draw combos to throw in for V but just nothing. There is a small possibility that V didn’t realize how deep I was bc I was in 1 seat him in 9 seat. I joked around about him not having anything to do something so big/crazy and he flashed a Q. Bottom set otf facing bet-jam rr of 300bb! Why would he ever do this with KQ/AQ but who knows hes recreational and aggro it must be possible.
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02-21-2022 , 09:13 AM
*also snapping if he had done this < 200bb or over a more standard raise size. I feel like recreational players perceive min raised as pretty nutted in llsnl so just lot of specific things leaned me to fold. Bottom set otf facing bet-jam rr of 300bb!
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02-21-2022 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by wheydacheese
What depth would you consider? This depth is super rare as is bc the 100 bb cap but I figured 300bb deep for almost any game/situation.

I folded which in retrospect is probably just never an acceptable option but such a weird spot in live low stakes game and so deep…I probably snap if there’s any kind of draw combos to throw in for V but just nothing. There is a small possibility that V didn’t realize how deep I was bc I was in 1 seat him in 9 seat. I joked around about him not having anything to do something so big/crazy and he flashed a Q. Bottom set otf facing bet-jam rr of 300bb! Why would he ever do this with KQ/AQ but who knows hes recreational and aggro it must be possible.
You keep coming up w more reasons to call. You also have to consider what he might think about 300bb stacks, he probably doens't care if he has $400 or $600 on the table, frankly, neither should you. Honestly, the spot comes up so rarely, and now here we are against some guy prone to overplays, might be unaware of stacks, idk man, it seems like an easy call to me.
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02-22-2022 , 12:34 PM
If you’re gonna raise for value raise for value and get the maximum from overpairs and Qx holdings. There’s merit to flatting on super dry boards especially against aggressive opponents but the min bet doesn’t make a ton of sense to me.

As played and especially with your read on villain it’s a call.
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02-22-2022 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by wheydacheese
Not for info just to drag him in for slightly more as I mentioned he would call with hands like Ax 88 etc then probably x-call $25-30 turns to see river even if he bricks, just how he is.
That's probably true, but you're really deep, so I'd be more focused on murderizing a loose egotistical player when he has AA, KK, AQ, KQ and taking a lot when he has QJ, QT, q9s.

AP, man. I can remember one hand like this, where the guy folded bottom set and the other guy had top set. But there was a flush draw out there.

His play is really weird either way. But I think it is more crazy for him to do this with QQ than with AA, or KK. 77 is slightly less crazy because you could have AQ. And, obviously, he has more combos of AA,KK and AQ than sets.

So I think it's a call.
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02-26-2022 , 12:28 AM
Thx for replies I agree call. I get way too nitty in live slots over 200ish bigs it’s something I need to work on.
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02-26-2022 , 11:46 AM
I think you've been playing too much PLO, where bottom set is often a big loser.

I'm not sure if I've ever seen anyone fold a set on a dry board like this...even the nittiest players I've encountered will call off here.

There are lots of situations that are worth discussing...this ain't one of them! And, yes, sometimes the V will turn over a higher set.
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