I (50 yr old that looks about 40 in Phillies hoodie and Phils hat) open for $25 with AQ in EP and a 30 something woman pops it to $65 as next to act. It folds to an older guy with sunglasses in late position and he calls as do I. We each started the hand with $800. My image is tight aggressive - raising more than limping - she had raised pretty liberally in position but maybe had only 3 bet one other time prior to this. The old guy was pretty limpy and loose.

Flop is A1010

The woman leads for $110 and gets snapped by the old guy and I merely call.

Turn is 9 and it checks around.

River is 8 and I check to the woman and she bets $250 and the old guy calls. I am tanking...... What to do here?

Meh.

I would prefer leading this turn to make the river decision easier.

As played I'm finding a call OTR, it's only a 1/2 PSB. Feels like a crying bet. I feel we are often up against a Broadway PP given her PF action.

If you were slightly deeper id jam, as played im folding. Splitting at best, other guy should have AK a ton

I don't have the heart to overcall on this one.

I'm sure you folded lady had KK and the guy had AJ tho.

Fold fold fold. Woman is betting again make AK a definite possibility. She's not bluffing and she got called in two spots on the flop so she's not betting A pp unless it is TT or AA

Fold.

I'm inclined to fold the flop unless you have a reason to believe their 3bet pot ranges are especially wide.

very easy fold pre

Call the 3bet preflop because old guy cold caller is described as a loose fish. If hop the cold caller were a tight reg, I would fold preflop. FWIW, I think we are crushed by the woman's 3betting range (QQ+, AK) here, but I think we can call with AQs because we have good pot odds and a chance to stack the old fishy cold caller on an Ace-high flop if he has something like AJ/AT.

Flop call is good. Turn check is good too.

River is tough. I think the old fishy guy doesn't have us beat because he snap-called flop. We are getting really good odds on a river call, but we are often beat here by the river. Given that the woman was described as fairly aggressive preflop, I would assume that she is a semi-good thinking player and capable of a thin value bet here. Therefore, she probably has AK a ton.

So...sigh-fold.

Sidenote: My experience that most "fairly aggressive" women at these stakes are relatively good players.

I feel like in this spot the old guy is definitely going to have AK like 80% of the time. In my experience those guys usually don't cold call 3bets with AQ/AJ. They only call AK because they kind of know they should at least be seeing a flop with it.

Anyway, that said I would have called preflop. Pretty standard with that much money in the pot imo. Turn is definitely a check/fold to a barrel and same goes for the river. The woman could easily have KK/QQ here and be making a really stupid bet, but I don't think that is really a good enough reason to warrant a call.

You can't be serious

Woman can be showing up here with a T too surely? Slow playing the turn to get an ace to bet. Not optimal but ppl still think hold em is about trapping not value towning

Calling 3 bets wiith AQ can't be much of a +EV play even in the most well defined and favorable situations. Add in three way AND OOP, I'm gone.

super close, depends on what the women thinks of you. I fold as a default, but w/ more history I could be inclined to call/raise. What was your feeling about the river 8 in game?

she has exactly one combo of TT and that's it. Old guy raises Tx ip after river bet, no one has a T in this spot.

Because of the above hero could consider shoving, I don't think he has many T's from ep however can rep 88-99 pretty well imo and fold her AK's, again just depends on what she thinks of hero.

Clear fold pre..... Oop to a range we are crushed by the woman. Our hand plays pretty poor vs that range and we are oop makes it a clear fold IMO. These calls are what drives down your win rate at the end of the year and not just because we miss a lot but also when we puts ourselves in this exact spot.

Finally, a player arose. This is such a fold pre. Wow.

Also, the lady has AK+ all day here. She may as well show it to everyone. Now fold and be glad she didnt half pot it as she should have---which you would call all day I suppose.

(And I add the tone just to show you that this is not a slight error pre. Its for your benefit, since there will be others here that say its ok pre)

Fold. Folding pf isn't a bad idea either but I can see how calling is justifiable with the stacks being $800 effective with 2 other players.

At best it's a chop but I think at least 3/4 of the time woman has you crushed and you have to account for the older gentleman as well. Wouldn't be surprised if he turns over a very badly played 10.

Factor in chops into the equation and odds of scooping the pot at 10%ish IMO, it's a clear fold.

This is the Bobby Hoff I'd rather have two cards out of the muck spot. It's so standard there's an actual adage about it. If you are even thinking about not folding pre there is a problem.

**** that. We're getting insane odds, are in good relative position. Pretty clear call given odds. I'd fold ATo tho but def not aqs

I'd rather have JTs in this spot pre.

That said, getting 4:1 immediate with less than 10% stacks in is probably good enough to play AQs. There are obvious RIO considerations on Q-high and A-high flops but we should be able to take a donk/fold line and make out okay.

[x] flat EP+1 3bet of EP open with AQ OOP
[x] bet/fold flop
[ ] profit

Get real.

[ ] bet/fold all flops
[x] bet/fold flop when flop top pair
[x] hand flops pretty well for 2pair+
[x] use 5th grade level reading skills

What exactly do we get value from when we make top pair on the flop though? If it's Q-blank-blank, we get MAYBE one street from like JJ (if woman 3bets it pre or old guy cold-calls pre and calls flop - both < 100% probability). On an A-high board we get value from just about nothing. Hell, even when we make stronger hands like 2 pair we're going to have trouble extracting value. I'm not excited about it, but I'm folding pre.

Maybe with reads you can make a case for calling OOP, but when an unknown 3bets way up front, and gets a cold caller, I'm pitching AQs. Fwiw I think there is much greater RIO than IO.

lady has JJ-KK AK AQ
old man has AK AQ or KK

i would probably fold, and calling with AQs even OOP os fine multi way. flop nfd: c/r and get stacks in