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11-13-2011 , 02:55 PM
5/10nl. It's limped around 6 ways, and I complete the sb with 4,6 off.

Flop (70)
10h 6h 3c

I tend to mix it up with any two here so I lead out 50 into 70. Bb folds, and a really tight middle age guy in mp makes it 140. Everyone else folds. From a tight guy this usually indicates top pair (K10ish.) This is a small raise, and I suspect he has a 10, and is trying to end the hand here.

I'm not going to call here. It's a spot where I will fold or 3-bet, so I make it 350. He calls. He could have a 10 here but, I have been a little aggro lately, and he may not believe me. He could have a flush draw, or he could have limped in with a big pair, and if that's the case he will never let it go otf.

Turn (770)

9h

His range contained A10, over pairs with a heart, and flush draws. If there was ever a time for a 2nd barrel this was it so I bet 525 into 770. He thinks about it for awhile, and he calls. Now I'm like wtf. I have just spewed and bloated this pot with a tight guy who is never releasing this hand. There is no way I'm good here. I should be done with this hand.

River (1870)

7s

Now he has 2000 behind and I cover. Do I ever have the best hand here? Could he still have an over pair with a lone heart. A hand like JJ+. I could just check but anyone knows I don't like to check rivers. I could bet and fold to a ship, and he probably won't ship on a paired board. This is a big pot to let go but, am I ever good here?

Hero?
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11-13-2011 , 03:38 PM
3betting flop is pretty spewey. Check/fold > bet/fold > bet/3bet.

I would just c/f river as played.

Did you mess up the board? T6397 is not paired.
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11-13-2011 , 03:48 PM
correction;
This river is an offsuit 6 but, still plays the same.
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11-13-2011 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by StandardDeviate
I have been a little aggro lately, and he may not believe me.
if this is true, the whole thing seems like a bad idea.

if you're gonna take this line tho, raise bigger on flop, ~pot turn, and ship river.
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11-13-2011 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by kwansolo
if this is true, the whole thing seems like a bad idea.

if you're gonna take this line tho, raise bigger on flop, ~pot turn, and ship river.
I like that better also. I was trying to accomplish the same result with less risk. It was my image that caused me to continue on the turn, and I thought he would release 1pair if he had it. I think most of us have found ourselves in similar spots, which is why I posted it. I was rationalizing every street.

The combo of the river along with me never wanting to check is interesting, and I'll post results in a bit.
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11-13-2011 , 05:50 PM
Where was this at?
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11-13-2011 , 08:08 PM
I think with the edit to make the river a 6s, my response to the last question is "yes sometimes you are good". But does that mean you should bet? Even if he's unlikely to check raise/ship on the paired board unless you are crushed, not clear to me what hands he'd just call with that you beat other than maybe an overpair, if he would really call with that. But my guess is that if he does flat call you lose.


And I noticed you did not give him any potential sets when he check raised the flop. Not saying he had 10-10 or 4-4 necessarily, but might be how a tight guy would play those hands on the flop and then the turn once the flush comes; of course he might well bet the river when the board pairs in that case, but he might think you have to bet it and be trapping. Particularly if he knows that you hate to check behind on the river.

I think I'd probably check behind.
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11-13-2011 , 08:56 PM
I don't see how any plan that encompasses decisions outside of or beyond c/f flop is good here.

3bet flop against described player is pretty atrocious, and I strongly disagree with your stereotyped assessment of what said player's flop raise means in this spot.

C/f river as played and chalk it up to a lesson in why you shouldn't take massive/complicated bluff lines with extremely low equity hands in 6 way limped pots. I mean... what are you repping if you fire the river? Quads/3s full? Total spew at every point.
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11-13-2011 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jrr63
I think with the edit to make the river a 6s, my response to the last question is "yes sometimes you are good". But does that mean you should bet? Even if he's unlikely to check raise/ship on the paired board unless you are crushed, not clear to me what hands he'd just call with that you beat other than maybe an overpair, if he would really call with that. But my guess is that if he does flat call you lose.


And I noticed you did not give him any potential sets when he check raised the flop. Not saying he had 10-10 or 4-4 necessarily, but might be how a tight guy would play those hands on the flop and then the turn once the flush comes; of course he might well bet the river when the board pairs in that case, but he might think you have to bet it and be trapping. Particularly if he knows that you hate to check behind on the river.

I think I'd probably check behind.
Sorry guess I misread the position, so most of my post is not relevant. What I get when posting after a few glasses of wine. But as played, I'd be check calling more than bet folding. I do think you could have the best hand, but he won't be folding better is still my feeling.
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11-14-2011 , 12:39 AM
I don't like completing pre
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11-14-2011 , 03:43 AM
This hand is total spew, as played lead river for 1100-1200 and pray he calls.
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11-14-2011 , 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by StandardDeviate
It's limped around 6 ways, and I complete the sb ...

I tend to mix it up with any two here so I lead out 50 into 70.
I stopped reading. Everything else that comes after this must be a smaller problem.
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11-14-2011 , 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by TimeBomb
This hand is total spew, as played lead river for 1100-1200 and pray he calls.
yup
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11-14-2011 , 07:31 AM
Just c/f every street and stop putting everybody on the bottom of their range
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11-14-2011 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Watermelons8
Just c/f every street and stop putting everybody on the bottom of their range
haha, this
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11-14-2011 , 11:48 AM
Now that I'm sufficiently torched (rightfully so), the results:

I agree with all who said it's a spew, and the reason why I posted it was because almost all of us (except for maybe GS) find ourselves in this trouble once in a great while.

It was a big pot, and I did not just want to give it away so I bet out 700 on the river, and was ready to muck if he shipped.

He folded.
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11-14-2011 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by StandardDeviate
Now that I'm sufficiently torched (rightfully so), the results:

I agree with all who said it's a spew, and the reason why I posted it was because almost all of us (except for maybe GS) find ourselves in this trouble once in a great while.

It was a big pot, and I did not just want to give it away so I bet out 700 on the river, and was ready to muck if he shipped.

He folded.
haha, confirmed robot who has never had a difficult decision
it's definitely good to post these (and any hands you have questions about), it's a great resource for getting better/learning/the occasional flaming.

i like your river play fwiw
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