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05-18-2024 , 11:13 AM
1/3 nl. V is a very competent reg. Plays TAG and doesn't get out of line much. Will limp occasionally but usually comes in for a raise. We both have stack sizes of about 550. Hero is BB. V is UTG +2.

UTG limps V limps, we get a few more limpers come in. Hero has As 3s and checks his option.

(flop $15 ) 2s 5s 3c

Hero bets $15, UTG calls, V raises to $75. Folds to hero. Hero?

Last edited by maromb78; 05-18-2024 at 11:27 AM. Reason: Screwed up flop
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05-18-2024 , 01:07 PM
Think I might have raised pre, but I don't hate the call.

I think a 1/3 pot sized bet on the flop would be better.

As played, just call.

Seems like he's repping A4, 64, 2P or a set. If he's doing this with a worse flush draw, God help him.

We block A4, a 4 hitting the board would block 64, and even if we're currently beat by 64, we still have 9 flush outs.
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05-18-2024 , 05:06 PM
Why did you bet so big on the flop? The large net size all but guarantees only super strong hands are going to continue; that is, you’re isolating yourself against a range with a ton of equity against you. And you’ll be out of position.

As played, I can’t see doing anything but call. A chance one of these players has a lower flush draw so you’ll get stacks on a spade.

If it’s heads-up, be prepared to use an offsuit 6 ad a bluff card.
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05-18-2024 , 07:48 PM
I would just check the flop. There's really no reason to bet and the hand is just much easier to play once you see everyone else's action rather than putting yourself out there.

As played just call as your hand obviously has a to of equity and you'll have a clearer decision on the turn once the dust settles.
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05-18-2024 , 11:42 PM
As already stated, don't donk flop, esp so big. Don't fold now.

Debate squeezing pf. If you did, then with NF draw, a pair, and a GS to the wheel, go nuts.

Which is why you're not folding now.
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05-21-2024 , 11:46 AM
I also just see a flop preflop.

I'm fine with betting the flop with all our equity. But I'd probably bet smaller, mainly to give myself better odds to continue if raised.

This villain has actually done a nice job of giving us rather horrendous odds of exactly 2:1 with his sizing. And a solid player should probably not be sticking in so much money this multiway at this hugenormous SPR without mostly nuttish hands. So we probably don't have as many outs as we think we do and are often down to just 8. Against a competent reg who is unlikely to payoff in position when the obvious draw comes in (although I guess it will be hard to fold a set on the turn), you could argue for a flop fold for this terrible price.

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05-21-2024 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
Why did you bet so big on the flop? The large net size all but guarantees only super strong hands are going to continue; that is, you’re isolating yourself against a range with a ton of equity against you.
While I also don't like the large flop bet (because a competent villain could size things so that it is difficult to continue), the difference in a $15 flop bet versus a ~$6 flop bet getting called is very little due to the meaninglessness of the lol small $ (which is why I would love a big bet with the nuts here).

GimoG
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05-21-2024 , 03:07 PM
You have 32 combinations of flopped straights not to mention all the sets and two pair so he's probably going to be pretty polar here (a hand not mentioned so far that he could have is 44).

Your Ace and 3 outs are very very iffy but you can still be up against worse flush draws, 44 and so on. You have to be somewhat wary of UTG as well. Just call and see a turn
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05-21-2024 , 05:04 PM
If as you say 'V is a very competent reg.', when you call his raise OTF, if the turn card completes your straight /flush it's actually hard for us to get his money coz he can easily fold a set if your bet makes the price wrong for him to chase a FH, and we are out of position.

If he's competent, we are adding on the money to see the turn only. If we miss, he would charge a high price we shouldn't pay to see river.

If he's less competent, I would call.
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05-21-2024 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by moxterite
You have 32 combinations of flopped straights not to mention all the sets and two pair so he's probably going to be pretty polar here (a hand not mentioned so far that he could have is 44).

Your Ace and 3 outs are very very iffy but you can still be up against worse flush draws, 44 and so on. You have to be somewhat wary of UTG as well. Just call and see a turn
44 playing this way is very risky. I think it's an overplay if V has 44.

IMO 44 should be discounted.
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05-21-2024 , 06:02 PM
I wouldve probably check raised flop. Even prefer check call over betting out. As played Youre 35% vs sets, 40% vs 64, 42% vs A4 but you crush lower flushes. $60 to win $105, so you need 36% to call, but youre OOP and there could be some reverse implied odds.

Definitely not an ideal spot but i think you cant fold, because its possible he has something like 44/45 or lower flush draw, and checks back the turn, but hes certainly going to be bluffing with a much stronger range than like what GTO would do in a HU spot.

I dont expect he folds to a 3 bet very often so i think its a marginal call.
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