If CO opens, and we look down at AQ, before we 3b , how wide is his range here? Are we trying to get it in pre or fold if he shoves? When he flats what type of hands would he call here after we 3b? Did the flop hit his range? Don't make decisions because the book said so, do it because you understand the reasoning. Have a plan for all reasonable outcomes.

As for the hand, I don't know if 3b>call pre because a lack of information. On the flop when we bet we commit our selves so you my as well rep a monster by shoving 65 into 50 or c/f. I would probably just c/f these live turds are married to pairs as you can see a 3b pre and a bet on the flop didn't get him away from Middle pair, weak kicker.

I am at work so can't do an equity calculation right now but you profit from this play from different ways.

- You stack him when he calls pre with a dominated hand like AX and QX and one of those cards hits the flop.

- it's fine to just pick up the 1PSB when you both miss and you will even make him fold some small pairs or bottom pairs on the flop.

- Even when he pairs one of his cards on the flop you will still generally have 2 overs for ~25% equity.

This is a good play for situations when your 3bet size coincides with a 1/3 of effective stacks and it is a good way to neutralize your positional disadvantage against a station when you know your range is way ahead of his preflop.

My original statement that flatting was better was because I failed to read the part about the limpers and thought it was heads up. It sounds like you still 3bet HU with these stack sizes.

Let me ask you this... Do you CB 100% of the time in the scenario? If not, do you CB on this flop?

that's gold.

as for the hand, i'm fine taking a flop of with AQ and just seeing if i hit and letting the CO keep the lead in the hand. if CO's been outta line, play's fine but you mainly wanna take it down pre, so go 4x or so.

In my eyes, the limpers showcase how bad his sizing is, the fact that we should setup a go and go is based on 3b sizing relative to the effective stack and his raise size, that's his mistake. (since reads on limpers and THEIR stack sizes are unknown then i'm discarding that them).

If we had reads on the limpers then we could argue whether a flat is to be considered, but in a vacuum (which would imply the assumption that limpers would not limp and cold call a raise and a re-raise and that it would end HU between CO and us) I prefer to setup a go and go play. In other words i would decide to go with it because in a vacuum I assume limpers will almost always fold to my 3b and that co will fold a good portion of the time. The times he decides to flat, I can jam a PSB on the flop knowing that he made the mistake of flatting my 3b pre with a range that is behind mine and there is not much he can do postflop to use a positional advantage.

Hope this clears things up.

Sorry - I changed it up on you.

With the limpers involved, I'm definitely 3betting.

My question is about the hypothetical situation where there are no limpers - we know it will be HU whether we call or raise. (I originally misread the post and thought this was the situation)

In this scenario, I'm probably flatting. Would you still 3bet? And if so, are you always shoving the flop? And if not, would you shove on this board?

What's the range you put him on here?

This.

Okay sorry guys, I posted the hand during my live session and I have been busy so let me add a couple things. The room I play in had a buyin from $40-$100 or the 1/2 so I bought in for $100 and started the hand with $96 from BB and completing a SB. I 20 years old and a regular at the room but I had never seen villain before so no reads. I 3 bet to isolate, and for value. 3 bets in this room are almost always strong. It is a central florida poker room and the games a pretty soft. 4 bets mean QQ+ or AK from almost everyone who plays here. I typically 3X when I reraise but given the situation I probably should have made a larger raise

Ok, which of these descriptions sounds like the villain:

A) A septuagenarian sipping black coffee, chatting about the merits of limit stud.
B) A 24-year-old in sunglasses, headphones and a hoodie. Totally silent.
C) A 45-year-old in khakis, a polo shirt and wearing a hat with a golf logo, talking about how much he's up at craps.
D) A 45-year-old, big guy with mustache/goatee wearing either flashy jewelry or football logos, talking about how much money he earns or wins.

I don't care if its your first hand at the table, you always have something to go on.