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Is this a bad line with TPTK on river? Is this a bad line with TPTK on river?

07-30-2012 , 06:58 PM
1/2 no limit

Hero (SB) Effective stack 700 - Plays a tag style but has been getting some good hands and has been pushing them very aggressively. Recently won some big pots and running over the table and may have a slightly lag image by some players.


Villain (BB) Effective stack 350 - Has been very quite and has recently complained about being card dead for three hours. Hasn't done anything out of the ordinary and plays a standard style and seems to follow the basic principle that big pots are for big hands. I haven't seen him do anything out of the ordinary but a little passive post flop, not pushing decent hands happy to call down.

PREFLOP

hero is dealt AKcs in the sb. MP raiser, who's been raising with marginal hands when the action is folded to him makes it 8 and gets three callers. Hero makes it 35 from the sb and gets called only by the villain in the bb

FLOP

A74 ddh. Hero bets 40 and villain calls. At this point I really feel he is on a strong diamond draw and is finally excited to play a hand. May have a worse A.

Turn

Tc. Hero bets 70 into 175 and villain calls.

River

2c. I think this is where I made a mistake and I checked, thinking that he would check back weaker aces and make a stab at the pot with busted flush draws that would fold to a bet. However, villain ships all in for 245. pot is 560 and it costs me 245 to call. Hero?
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07-30-2012 , 07:28 PM
Bet more on the turn. I think check is ok on river if you feel his range is almost all draws. Depends on my feel at the time. I def call the river bet.
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07-30-2012 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Bet more on the turn. I think check is ok on river if you feel his range is almost all draws. Depends on my feel at the time. I def call the river bet.
This feels right to me. I call, expecting to chop an overwhelming percentage of the time. If not a chop, villain has air or a made hand turned into a bluff (QQ?). I can't think of a hand villain has that plays the hand this way that has us beat. MAYBE 77, but I'd think villain folds that preflop.
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07-30-2012 , 09:41 PM
Weird spot.

Have you seen him slow play at all? Most villains at 1/2 will raise 2 pair or better before the river especially with the flush out there so I expect to be good most of the time the way the hand played out but you said he's been playing pretty straight up so I'm not sure. There shouldn't be too many 2 pair hands in his range as he cold called a 3bet pre, some sets but again I expect them to be raised before the river on most occasions.

I would call as i expect to be good at least 1 in 3.
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07-30-2012 , 09:47 PM
The sad thing is that once you 3bet and hit TPTK on the flop, you're basically stacking off in this situation. The only question is whether he can have air or AQ in this situation 24% of the time. Most of the time, the answer is yes and you call. If you think he can fold AK on the river or call with Ax, then bet. If not, c/c is better. If he cold called a 3 bet with 77 or 44, he made the long term mistake, not you.
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07-30-2012 , 09:50 PM
didn't read but I like your name. fogo de chao. I love eating there and all other chrrascarias.
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07-30-2012 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by fogodchao
1/2 no limit

Hero (SB) Effective stack 700 - Plays a tag style but has been getting some good hands and has been pushing them very aggressively. Recently won some big pots and running over the table and may have a slightly lag image by some players.


Villain (BB) Effective stack 350 - Has been very quite and has recently complained about being card dead for three hours. Hasn't done anything out of the ordinary and plays a standard style and seems to follow the basic principle that big pots are for big hands. I haven't seen him do anything out of the ordinary but a little passive post flop, not pushing decent hands happy to call down.

PREFLOP

hero is dealt AKcs in the sb. MP raiser, who's been raising with marginal hands when the action is folded to him makes it 8 and gets three callers. Hero makes it 35 from the sb and gets called only by the villain in the bb

FLOP

A74 ddh. Hero bets 40 and villain calls. At this point I really feel he is on a strong diamond draw and is finally excited to play a hand. May have a worse A.

Turn

Tc. Hero bets 70 into 175 and villain calls.

River

2c. I think this is where I made a mistake and I checked, thinking that he would check back weaker aces and make a stab at the pot with busted flush draws that would fold to a bet. However, villain ships all in for 245. pot is 560 and it costs me 245 to call. Hero?
I'd call. I think you played well overall. Villain didn't flop a set or twopair OTF since most live 1/2 would raise on a flush draw. The only hand I would be worried about is if he called your strong 3bet with ATs. Other than that, you beat all his other hands that are in his range except 77, 44 (which he's not likely to call with pre).
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07-31-2012 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by spewtardnewbie
didn't read but I like your name. fogo de chao. I love eating there and all other chrrascarias.
couldn't agree more. go there every wednesday and became my sort of nick name which stuck. the churrascarias in brazil are even better
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07-31-2012 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Tamade
I'd call. I think you played well overall. Villain didn't flop a set or twopair OTF since most live 1/2 would raise on a flush draw. The only hand I would be worried about is if he called your strong 3bet with ATs. Other than that, you beat all his other hands that are in his range except 77, 44 (which he's not likely to call with pre).
I did consider ATs but decided that this particular villain would not call my three bet with this hand with people to act after him
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