Hero has slightly LAG, competent image, the game is very loose with frequent $5 straddles but not this hand, playing $350, 2 players have me covered, rest of players this hand playing 100-200 stacks

Hero opens to $8 with 2 red kings utg+2
Hj, co, btn, and both blinds call
Hj is tight and has me covered, bb is super loose and has me covered, co and sb both loose as well

48 in middle

Flop comes ts6s9c

I check, hj bets $10, everyone calls
What now?

Also is betting flop a better line?

No. Check the flop. See all other villains act again before putting more money in. A few people probably hit this flop. Wait to see how hard they hit if before shoveling money in.

Pretty weird for everyone to call. HJ super weak bet doesn't indicate two pair+. Someone who can beat KK should have bet more or raised. I'd put in a sizable raise. I'm feeling pretty good about KK in this spot. Make it $100-$125 and bomb favorable turns.

Raise more pre. If the game is loose and you can get away with $15 do it. Smaller is way worse than bigger.

Flop is wet but if you don't expect to be semi-bluffed (ie: they only raise value) then bet/fold is better than x/eval.

As played I would put in a raise here because you kinda screwed the hand up. A pot sized raise would be $120 so I think anything from $80-120 is fine and get ready to shove good turns.

On such a disgusting flop, I feel a c/r is overplaying your hand against so many players. One of the callers might be slowplaying 2p+ for all you know. Even hands that are behind and decide to call your c/r may have significant equity (probably a flip) against KK.

Overall, I'm not at all thrilled with this flop and our relative position to everyone, and with just $8 invested pre (which looks like a mistake to begin with), I'd much rather tread cautiously by just calling flop and check/evaluating turn.

An alternative and a more standard/clearer play would be to just bet 2/3-3/4 PSB otf. But checking doesn't seem that bad either with this board and several players behind. Infact, that looks more prudent to think of it.

Fold.

The hand is over.

Is $8 raise preflop the standard? That's crazy small for the stacks. I'd want to raise bigger and I think most of the time it's obvious if people have been calling a lot of raises, i.e. theres some action, so there's no excuse to not make it more.

As played I'd probably fold having only invested $8. if you wanted to gamble, and you might because you could be ahead of everyone, you could C/R this and probably jam turn assuming no terrible card.

+1

you butchered the hand pre flop - as played just check / fold

You can call 1 for $10 if you want, but you aren't going to like many turn cards that aren't a king or pair the 6.

I read till the point you said you opened to $8 with KK, and stopped reading..

FWIW there is nothing wrong with $8 and it may in fact be the perfect sizing in normal 1/2 games. In this game I might do $10 with KK here. Depends on 3betting freq. at the table and stack depth.

And lose your stack to something like 9T or 78 that called the weak pre flop bet.

^^^^^This.

Every place I have played $1/$2 the standard open is $12 to $15. $17 starts to filter out the chasers. $8 is basically a limp and just asking for every garbage hand to come along. If your getting action on this flop youre probably beat.

I played a hand last week where UTG raised $20 pre flop, I called UTG+1 with AA, and the rest of the table proceeded to call for an 8 way flop. it was a $160 pot going to the flop. UTG shoved the wettest flop ever, got 2 callers and his AA actually held...You just never know these days.

The OP is posting this hand because he probably lost a stack to 69 suited.

I said "as played." Mistakes were made preflop and on the flop, but given the SPR is a maximum of 7x and we are only worried about the HJ who bet small himself and the BB who flatted OOP, I am feeling pretty good about a raise here.

What is SPR? i cant find it in the glossary of abbreviations. The OP obviously lost the hand if this is a thread and he wants to know how to play it better next time.

The short answer is to raise about 3x more than he did in this spot.

$15 pre given table, position, image and stack size.

B/f flop seems good. Sure we're behind a good percentage of the time but we can get value from so many hands on this board and it makes the hand easy to play. C/r flop is another viable option since it lets us get away for free when someone puts in a flop raise and allows us to push people off their equity.

It's a 4x open and if people are going to call with garbage that isn't bad for us, it's plus EV, the variance is just higher. I'd go ten in that game but 8 isn't the end of the world.

$8 clearly was not effective in isolating anyone and thinning down the field. The proper amount is table dependent and is something you need to figure out for each table and each set of villains. While an $8 raise isnt the end of the world, it is the end of this hand. With KK I would want to see a flop with max of 2 callers, not 5.

Stack to Pot Ratio

the big issue is not knowing what was the standard sizing for this game ? how was it playing ?

sounds like the game was playing big and I agree with others that the raise should have been much larger but you would need to have raised like this not with just this hand but a Range of hands before this hand ever went down. that way when you make a raise like $20 basically ten times the big blind it doesn't scream out AA or KK and your play is consistent thus making the hands to put you on much wider and more difficult to pin point your exact hand .

with this said if you was raising to $8 with your Range your kinda stuck with this size... many hands before this one you should have figured out that a $8 still gets called by the family. with that info it would tell you needed a much larger raise to get 1-2 callers. if you raised your range with $8 all night then catch a AA or KK or QQ then pop it to $20 any good player would instantly know your range and could just fold or exploit you with a bluff with a wet board like it came.

but know your stuck with a family pot with a wet board with only God knows what in the hand....I do believe its time to kill the hand and just learn from this mistake....

being out of position I never like the donk bet even if your strong because then to keep it consistent with your rang and your bluffs you would need to keep leading out like this into the dark and I believe this is very non profitable line to take over the long run.

I agree that it needs to be always a check.