1/2 typical loose passive lineup except V who bought in for $50, is on 2nd buy-in and doubled up. He generally shoves when he thinks he could take it down or has a good chance to double up. His stack $110, and I think he knows that preflop shoving standards have to be higher now.

My image against other players is probably solid but I've raised and whiffed twice against V and had to fold

Button straddle on for $4.

Hero in HJ with AT.

SB calls, V calls, MP calls, I raise to $25, only V calls.
Flop (hu, $55 after rake) Q Q 3
V looks like he might check but announces all in instead, saying "it's going in anyway"
$85 to call.

When he thinks he can take it down with a jam, what kinds of ranges did he have? Even if he does it with ace high, his Ax hands after calling 25 pre are probably ahead of us anyway.

Most of the preflop jams were not called and he didn't show. Say a bunch of limpers and there's $10 in the pot, he shoved from the blinds. Or open shoves utg for $39 and no one calls. If I had to guess it was about 20-25% of the time, and then some limping mixed in. Might have been one hand he was called by a hand that outflopped him on Q high board, they showed and he mucked, so maybe he had a medium pocket pair. I don't recall the hand where he doubled up.

I think he would open raise or limp-reraise with AK-AJ rather than this stop and go, but not sure how much the $100ish stack changes his mindset.

This hand doesnt quite make the cut for me. I expect villain to be very pocket pair heavy here. The price we're getting is not good.

Also, I would not raise this hand preflop after 3 limps plus the straddle left, but if I do raise itd be to 30 or 35. I think 25 is a little small.

At these stack depths, these stakes, BTN straddle on, I think ATo is just a limp or fold pre, not a raise.

My first thought is AP, just folding flop to his jam. He's either super strong or he has a NFD, possibly with a better AX, though probably not, if he's raising AK and AJs pre.

But then again, we have the Th in our hand, it's hard for him to have QX or a better AX, and he's over-betting in a spot where thick value would generally want to get calls, not get folds, unless he's scared of the flush draw. Wondering if he raises KQo pre, or if he limps with QJo and worse QX.

I dunno. On paper it seems like a trivial fold, but something about these short stack jam spots make me want to hero call wider. I'm probably folding, because his speech might be an indication he has some weak QX and decided to jam rather than risk the flush draw getting there on the turn. If we had AJhh or AThh, it would be a lot closer, with the flush draw equity, and blocking QJ/QT.

Think we can fold and find a better spot.

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So he never did this otf? He's most likely got at least a PP then, maybe Qx, but since he was planning to c/gii at first, he probably has a hand that beats Ax anyway. I would prefer we had a better bluff catcher and fold plus you're probably correct that he's not jamming as light as he was when he had only 50 bucks.

Interesting comment...I will have another ATo thread coming soon. Maybe it should be treated as a speculative bs hand

would you prefer to just call pre then, or fold?

Everything about this hand feels marginal but just about OK...I think you can gamble a little here, sometimes you'll be dominated, sometimes you'll be up against a pair, sometimes you'll be up against a Queen, but you can also sometimes have the best hand, and against many possible holdings you have one or two live cards. I'd probably try and put this numpty back in his box, although I lack patience

Mostly what moxterite said. Although:

This would make me want to snap call.

This would make me want to snap fold.

Either is fine i think. I would call if theres fish in and i dont think anyone behind me is going to raise, otherwise fold.

It is a speculative hand, depending on stack depths and configuration. I think it becomes more speculative when the stacks are shorter, and the BTN straddle is on, and we have 2 more players left to act behind us, including the straddler.

I hate limping pre, but over-limping from the HJ with ATo, and the BTN straddle on, might be okay, if the EP players are adjusting to the BTN straddle by having a limp-3B range.

If someone raises behind us and V back-raises, we can easily fold and not worry about the $4 we torched. But if we raise to $25, we have to fold if V 3B's us. Even if V just flats, we're going to the flop with less than 2 SPR, which is just awkward if V is going to be jamming flop super-wide.

Like, what do we do if he jams on a flop of Td9h5h? He might be jamming QJhh or 87hh, but he could easily have TT, 99, 55, or T9, as well as 66-88, or just JT, QT, KT. If having $110 to start the hand leads him to loosen up and limp a wider range, he could maybe have T5s or 95s.

Do we really want to be in a spot where we feel like we have to call off an 1.5x pot jam with just TPTK on a board that smacks a lot of EP's limping range?

Are you limp calling, or limp folding?

If we raise now and the button 3bets, we know he's likely ahead of us but if we limp and he raises the straddle after all the dead money and with position, we're almost in no man's land. Even if we flop an ace, I still wouldn't feel good about it in a 6 way limped pot.

If we limp and get raised its a fold

Just raise pre the first time then, limp folding AT in LP vs a bunch of bozos is horrible IMHO otherwise we're just playing bingo with everyone else by limping in.

With spr ~1.5, I was prepared to get all in on many flops, including any pair, any draw, and some air on disconnected boards. This might be one such board but villain blocked me from making the move myself.

Result: I folded and he did not show.