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Table is fully populated with loose passive fish who call too wide pre flop and chase draws with little equity.
All hands that see a raise are of good quality from all.

Hero: Have all winning image. I've raised 4 times and won them all. Other than that, did nothing noteworthy. Covers.

V: So far average passive rec player ~30. Hasn't raised yet so far, but looked like he wanted to 3bet a two times. One time he ended up showing down TT other time he showed AKo. The 4 times he has gotten agressive post flop he has shown down 1x flopped top set turned full house, 1x top 2p, 1x tp+fd and one hand he didn't show. $500

SB: Mawg Short stack who just lost a big hand OP vs flopped top set to V. Might be slightly on tilt. $70

CO: Nothing special, fairly passive straight forward 30 yo rec player. $200

2 random limps
V raises to $13, CO calls, SB calls, Hero calls with AQo, limpers fold. (Debatable call pre.)

Flop ($50) QJ4r
SB donks ai for $55
Hero?

If you advocate anything besides folding, what is your plan for future actions?

You're BB?

Here's how I look at it.

CO is dead money. SB is on tilt, he shows up with TT, Axs, JTo, who knows. Villain is army-strong.

If you were OTB, SB shoves, villain calls, it's an easy fold. Being in between SB and villain doesn't make things any better and makes me want to fold just as much, if not more. Granted, he's unlikely to raise. But that's not gonna make you feel any better about his range. Static hand, turn will be a c/f most of the time.

Tempting though isn't it. Don't know I would have the discipline to fold live, but I think it's the right move. I know it's a sunk cost fallacy but would still take comfort in saying oh hell I'm only $12 invested in this hand, screw it

I like flatting here, as you should be ahead of SBs range, and the other passive villains described will be folding a lot to a psb ship from the SB and an overcall by hero.

I am assuming based on descriptions here that you flatted and V raised? Probably just pitching to any reasonable raise, as V is described as passive and hasn't shown the ability to make plays post. With one player all in, and a dry side pot this would be a very strange time for V to spazz.

Vs range is uncapped, JJ+ are all certainly possible. There are 16 combos right there Hero is in really bad shape against. Hero doesn't beat any of Vs value combos (maybe KQs, KQo), and there aren't many hand combos V could be semi bluffing. Would V open KTs pre? KTo, T9s? All seem pretty optimistic for a player who hasn't raised pre yet. I think it's a fold.

Sorry, pretty ambiguous answer. But that would be my general plan when flatting here.

I would much rather 3bet this pre to $55 than just flat, unless we think V is never folding to our raise, and his range is just too strong.
In which case, fold pre.

As played, ugh. I guess I'm flatting but probably folding to any aggression from V.

Not sure if anything other than calling flop is optimal. Folding is out of the question, if so there'e no need to play this hand PF.

Tricky situation will be if V decide to raise flop. If he does, we might just have to give him credit for a better hand than AQ given how he's played thus far and this being the first hand he's gotten aggressive with PF.

Hands we're losing to
- Sets: JJ/QQ 4 combos
- Two pairs: QJ 6 combos

hands we tie with:
- AQ: 6 combos

Hands we're beating:
- AK: 12 combos
- TT 6 combos
- MAYBE KQ: 8 combos

so we're beating a fair bit of Villain's PF raising range. It depends on you and how wide of a raising range you assign him.


AP, I call flop/decide. I'm inclined to check turn if villain just calls flop for same reasons given above.

Yeah, but villain is such a nit, do we even want to play AQo against him. This is the guy who won't bet AK, I shudder to think what his opening range actually looks like in mp, and how it connects with this flop. You either need to be ahead of his range, which won't happen often, or on a dynamic hand that can get there.

A lot of people will say, why call pre and then fold when you get the best flop in the world. When you wish you had'nta called in the first place, that's why.

I think OP said he had the chance to 3b with AK and didn't

pre flop we have a passive villain who never raised yet and raises. So we should put him on a strong range.

with AQo in the bb in general, I am either 3betting or folding. It's really not a good hand to flat, hardly ever, even with three players. Especially when the V has never raised as of yet.

Since the original raiser is tight, I would fold pre. If we 3bet and he flats and CO folds, it's still not a good hand to be heads up with him (not to mention if he 4bets us, we still have to fold).

As played, I would have to flat. I'm not folding to the short stack and if the villain raises I would fold it in a heart beat. If he calls I would hope and pray to get to showdown vs this passive player without putting hardly anything else in the pot.

Grunch...

$500 eff right?

If you raise to $125, you're priced in I think.

Flatting sucks cuz everything has a good price to draw.

Position sux, as you could be squeezed if u flat.

I think raise to $125 and decide, but almost certainly call.

Raise > fold > call.

Agree with 3b or fold pre

seems insane

fold pre

call or fold are both fine otf

I'm all ears...

Hero flats, pot is $160 and $55 to call with $185 and $485 remaining.

Go...

we're nowhere close to being committed against v if we raise
if we get cold 3bet by a tight guy in a sidepot for 250 bbs we're never ever good here

125/f might have some merit as a bluff against v and we get it in against the co if he shoves

Effective stacks vs other villains?

OP says $500 with V1 and $200 or less with rest.

After I raise to $125, they have ~$65 left.

co started with 200
tight villain started with 500
yeah, shrug call if co shoves after we make it 125
snap fold if villain with 500 raises

What draws? 910? Or are you talking about drawing to two pair? I'm not raising here. I didn't call pre to fold TPTK on the flop... No way I'm raising with the NIT still left to act. Pre, when the SB calls ultra short stacked, you gotta know this is a likely move on his part.

Thanks yeah we caught that error at the same time. Question is, who is this guy.

IRTM didn't say villain was a nit, but we know villain has to have KJo in his or her range before hero is ahead equity-wise, seems like there is approximately zero fold equity, and this is one of those "fear the call" situations where... well, you get the picture.

Might as well be a nit.

Raise pre to isolate and hopefully limit the field as you have bad position. Or fold.
Nothing to do but call OTF, players behind me still to act make me nervous but think its too weak to fold at this point.
Did I mention 3! -ting pre-flop

With straight forward villains I think anything other than a call is not good

Fold and ask if you can get a refund of your $11. Your PF play is so bad Well, I'll stop there.

Call, and fold to a raise OTF.
OTT, c/c reasonable bets if anyone continues in the hand with us on the flop.
In many games, this open shove from SB will yield only one call, in this case, likely just H. If others call, then the turn is tricky and probably a c/c or c/f.
Top pair is a little too good to fold to a ship from Tilty, but if we encounter aggression from Mr. Passive, time to run.

Well?

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