1/1/2 8 handed


- UTG ($75) Oldish loose guy (not really OMC), limps UTG
- MP (~$100) limps
- CO (Hero with $190) raises to $15 with AQss
- BU (~$200) loose passive calls
- BB (~$200) loose passive calls
- UTG, pushes all in for $75, but does not look completely happy
- MP limper folds
- Hero ?

Hero usually plays TAG, but been card dead, so may be seen as nitty if anyone paying attention.

fold

I'm never folding with this stack size

I think given the action you are at worst in a coin flip scenario with every other player. With all of the money already in the pot, folding is incorrect as you're putting in 60 to win about 185. It would also be wise to reshove here to push out the BTN+BB, and as I said earlier even a small amount of fold equity makes it a +EV move assuming they never have AK/AA/KK/QQ when they opt to flat your raise.

you have 45.7% equity vs a range of TT+ any 2 suited broadway cards, AQo+. I guess it's close to a coin-flip, with him the favorite, IF he does this with JTs.
Then there are the players behind you.
That is why Playbig2000 says fold. Highly unlikely UTG has the above range PLUS the players behind you.

Now if it is a coin-flip, as pvhawkeye claims, that is another case.
I'm willing to bet UTG only does this with TT+ AQs+ AKo, KQs which gives you 38% equity [7.8% of that being a tie] HU. So, you win ~31% & putting 32% of the money in the pot. And, that doesn't include the rake/tip. If he shoves with 99 you have a fraction more equity HU.

Imagine him never doing this with KQs?! Then you have 35.5% equity with 8.3% of it being a tie. 27% you win the pot, 8% you get your money back & any dead money if the others fold.

To be clear we are shoving to ISO , not calling

There's 75 + 45 + a bit in the pot, around 120. We're getting 2:1 on a call.

If OLG 3b with QQ+, AK you're a 3:1 dog getting only 2:1. He needs to go down to TT or add some AQs before you can call, even if it were guaranteed heads-up against him. Even if it is positive, it's not by much.

I doubt OLG is doing this particularly wide and we're in bad shape if his 3b range is as tight as it usually is at LLSNL tables. I'm folding.

If you have reads that OLG is aggro pre or that he's tilty and looking to double up, I like a call. But if he's just moseying along playing his game, I fold.

Snap shove

Fold. An old man limped UTG then reraised. I'm putting him on AA, KK or maybe AK.

With 30$ extra of dead money in there from the two callers pre, i am instashoving this to isolate at these stacksizes.

We are getting a pretty insane price, and with only 75$ lol stack we are doing more than okay against his range with the dead money in there already.

The thing is, when you're giving UTG this range you assume he is limping UTG with his entire range. Since OP did not comment on it, I assume he has a normal open raise frequency so that we could reasonably eliminate AA, KK, QQ, and AK. IMO, as played, when facing this range I am putting this "loose" player on AJ-AT or JJ-22, so we expect him to have a PP a good chunk of the time putting us in the coin flip scenario and the pot odds would warrant the iso shove.

When someone limp-raises from early position, you should immediately put them on a very strong hand. The early position limp reraise is usually AA, KK or AK. These guys are looking to trap the limps/raises/calls before they make their move.

I think L/RR increases the chance of KK+/AK rather than decreasing it. Usually a L/RR is planned from the outset rather than being a response to subsequent action (though it can be sometimes). I think it decreases the chance of hands like JJ, which would usually put in a normal raise here. Obviously all ranges have to have some fudge factor for times V's act weird, and V's stack is fairly short, but I think this V is going to show up with a premium nearly all the time.

This question is really all about putting V on a range. If you think he does it fairly wide, snap shove getting 2:1. If you think he's doing it with a typical tight L/RR, snap fold getting 2:1 as a 3:1 dog. The presence of other callers behind us makes things a little worse (when someone overcalled with AK or QQ), but shouldn't make that much difference.

Here's what you do. It's 2 parts.

Part 1 (hardest part):

You find out our needed equity when we shove and isolate.

Part 2:

You download equilab.

Input AA for villain. See our equity.

Input KK+ for villain. See our equity.

Input AK/QQ+ for villain. See our equity.

Continue until you find the threshold for us to get it in. Then decide if he can indeed have that threshold.

Note: don't make it work just so you can call off. Just find the threshold and see if it makes logical sense.

I am all for putting limp/reraisers on a strong nutted range, especially from early position. But when people do it with a lol 75$ stack, that fact alone widens their range by a good margin.

Like, i havent figured out how wide i would isoraise here yet- but AQ suited is a no brainer in my opinion. Even if he shows us AK or KK faceup its not very far off that were getting the right price to get it in cause of the dead money already in the pot from the callers+ the 15$ we have put in ourself. Even against KK we ship this almost 1 out of 3 times.

I guess this would be pretty v or game specific, would be good if hero had history and saw that v had made the limp/3bet move in the past or has made other alternative plays. I know there are definitely those at 1/2 that do this. I think if there are a good amount of limped party Flops villain would not be doing this with strictly hands that beat us. Plus the fact this player is considered "loose" would imply he is willing to gii in this spot with a mid or small PP thinking he has fold equity or he just feels like gambling (in live games we can judge if a player is impatient or tilting as well). The reason I default to reshoving is because of the fact I have only seen this move once or twice in my casinos, and when I've seen it it is the nitty grandpa.

Yep, reasonable points. I interpret loose to mean loose when limping and calling raises (i.e. unremarkably passive, but looser even than normal for LLSNL) I think someone that raises or 3b frequently should also be classified as aggressive. So for me, a loose, typically passive old guy that finds a L/RR is causing alarms to go off. If he's actually loose and aggressive, then I think the overshove is clearly in order.

It's only a 1/1 game (don't know if it's a straddle, or actual 1/1/2) and there's a raise of 15 followed by two callers. I don't think this guy is light at all, he's probably looking for a hand to double or triple up and he likely found aces UTG. With no other reads, I don't see how we can give him a wide range and call/jam with ace high.

Yes good point, aggression or willingness to gamble is definitely a key point.

Then we have to agree on disagreeing. I dont think he is "light" either, but i think he is wide enough for us to go with AQ suited here. At least i believe we will see 1010 and JJ a decent percent of the time with the amount of dead money+ the small stack he is limp/reraising.

In my experience people tends to do some unexpected things from time to time when they play a stack below 100$ and thus becoming really short.

It's a 1/2 with a 1 on the button for jackpot

Shove.

Results.

I more or less insta shoved. I think it's worth pointing out that I play mostly tournaments so this kind of iso shove is pretty usual for me. However I do feel it warranted more time for me to think , and while my read was he wasn't completely happy, my reading is not that good.

The two callers quickly folded, as I expected with capped range, and old guy showed up with KTo lol. People were quite shocked at how weak both our hands were. He of course hit a ten on the flop and I did not improve...

k-10 off is alot wider than i would expect him to be in this spot, but yeah- as i said people tends to do some weird/spazzy stuff here and there when they get short enough.

Nice hand and reshove with the AQ, dont be resultoriented and focus on him hitting a 10. You got your money in good and will print money long run with this play, and with 30$ dead money in the middle as well.

Not results oriented about final outcome. We got it in with better, that can never be wrong. More worried about being results oriented in what he showed up with; it's an extreme, and I think you have to balance Old Man limp/reraising being AA/KK vs. short stack spazz factor.