Am I being robber pertains to the second hand history. 2 tough spots I was recently in and one of the few times where even after the fact I'm not sure if I made the right play

2/5 NL

Hand 1:

Hero - Has been playing fairly snug and has not shown any bluffs. One player at the table recently made a remark about how shocked he was when I entered a hand. Stack ~ 650

V1 - Has been VERY loose and somewhat aggressive. However, his aggression is transparent as he bets a around 1/3 of the pot when he's bluffing/semi-bluffing and 3/4 pot when has a made hand. Hero has no significant history with this V. Stack ~650

V2 - Somewhat loose however not extreme, and has been moderately aggressive as well. Been caught bluffing a river when he busted a flush draw. He was leading out that entire hand with his flush draw. A regular as many other players know him, yet hero has no significant history with this V. Stack ~750

folded around to Hero
Hero in HJ w/ A10 raises to 20
V1 calls in SB
V2 calls in BB

Flop (55)
Q73
V1 checks
V2 bets 25
Hero calls
V1 calls

Turn (130)
8
V1 checks
V2 bets 80
Hero???

Hand 2:

Hero - Same image as above

V1 - Same V1 as above, except now V1 and hero have the history of the above hand.

V2 - Same V2 as above, except now V2 and hero have the history of the above hand.

V3 - Just moved to table within the last orbit. Is playing tight and has been making remarks that he never gambles and only plays poker. Openly talking poker strategy at the table and appears competent (except for the fact that he's discussing this with the table). Stack - 500

V4 - Has recently taking two all-in bad beats and is starting to unwind. Pulled out $10000 cash at the table and said he'll sit here all night until he loses it all. Drinking. Now is playing gambooly but I believe this is due to tilt. Stack size ~300

V5 - Old man that recently moved to table. Looks to be in 60's. Hasn't played a hand in the 6 that he's been dealt. Stack size ~ 200

Onto the second hand. :

UTG V1: Limps
UTG+1 V2: Limps
Hero in CO w/ A3 Limps
V3 BTN: Limps
V4 SB: Calls
V5 BB: Checks

Flop (25)
AJ9
V1: Checks
V2: Checks
Hero: Bets 20
V3: Calls
V4: Calls
V5: Folds
V1: Calls
V2: Calls

Turn (125)
3
V1: Checks
V2: Checks
Hero: Bets 80
V3: Folds
V4: Folds
V1: Calls
V2: Raises to 280
Hero:???

Hand One, I think I just call and hope that V keeps betting. Only thing that hurts you is a paired board.

On hand 2, I don't think I am folding two pair to a loose aggressive sort of opponent too often. Especially when you consider that AJ, JJ, 99 would all likely raise pre, 33 is only one combo, so that leaves A9 as the only hand that beats you. I think opp is likely on some sort of combo draw. Q10, KQ, 108 of diamonds would all make this play, and if he really views you as nittty, he may figure that you would fold a weak ace here to any sort of aggression.

Hand 1 - raise flop. As played, raise turn.

Hand 2 is a really weird line from V. I may have just check/folded the flop. As played, the turn raise is really strong but it's hard to speculate better hands that would have not raised the flop. I think he prob had a straight draw/combo draw with diamonds that improved to FD too on turn. Tough spot.

First hand - I'm not sure what the question is - you've turned the nuts. Whether you raise or just smooth call is dependent on your reads.

Hand 2 is a fold. It's going to be hard to be good here unless he has exactly J9. Looks like AJ or 99.

1 raise to 220. 2, what is ES? Assuming stack sizes have changed since hand 1. In a vacuum, the second diamond goes with your read, so shove or flat and call non-diamond rivers.

Betting turn could be wrong with so many callers? Would you bet tptk here? Your hand is basically that except you also beat j9. So Baluga says to fold now but you could be v combo draw as previous poster said. Do people agree checking turn superior play or am I being results oriented?

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If anything I'd check the flop on hand 2. We can't reliably value-bet our crappy Ace for multiple streets with this many players, so I'm probably just looking to check-down/bluff-catch. After betting flop, I don't see how we can fold the turn. Is V2 that likely to limp AJ/99 preflop? Does he really just check/flat the flop bet after a million people call in between? Why let 3-4 people draw to their gutshots or w/e? I think we're only losing to A9 maybeeee.

hand 1. I would have raised the flop, but since you didn't I would continue to play passive. Call the turn/ raise every river. If checked to otr this would be a spot where I'd definitely be over betting. Sizing would depend on how I felt in the moment, but likely bombing it.


hand 2. seems like an easy call. If we knew how the previous hand played out or what he showed down maybe this would change. Overall I call ip and see a river, though you can make a case for jamming.

His sizing seems like he would be happy if you folded, QdTd, KdTd, KdJd, would make sense, what's his ep limp range look like? Only A9s that might play like this and have you beat. call or raise depending on previous history, but never folding

Hand 1:
Raise to 200-250 and try to get the rest in on the river. Judge from his reaction on the turn whether he has a flush or a set. If he has a flush, probably shove the river, most players can't fold a flush there. Even if he can, still shove. Betting less than all in looks very nutty. If he has a set, bet the most you think he will call. Whether he calls with a set depends less on whether you bet 150 or 300 than on his emotional/mental state at the time. When in doubt, bigger is usually better.
Sometimes you won't know whether he has a flush or set. If you are moderately leaning one way, then just go with it. If you really don't know, then just shove river. You want to target the part of his range that you make more money from. He might still call with a set a decent part of the time when you shove river.

Hand 2:
V2's line is pretty strange here. Ignore 33, because it's one combo and he had to call the flop with it. If he had two pair on the flop, pretty weird for him to just call with it. Does him limp JJ/99 pre? Probably not if he is "moderately aggressive". Only thing that really makes sense to me here is QTdd or T8dd.
Let's assume V2 has QTdd. V1 looks like he has AT or a straight draw, I don't think you should be too worried about him. The only question is whether to shove or call and hope V2 bluffs river when missed. You make more if you can get V2 to bluff, but idk if he will again after getting caught and there are 2 other players. I think I just stick it in. If you want to flat, fold diamond, K and 7 rivers. Bet an amount that targets V1's AT if they check to you. This smaller bet has a (small) added benefit that it might get V2 to c/r bluff.
Shove.

Hand 1: Raise flop, as played flat turn.
Hand 2: C/f flop. As played, jam turn. Congratulations if he chose to play 99 or AJ this way in multi-way limped pot with so much action in front of him. I think he shows up with gutshot fd MUCH more than made hand.

Results:

Hand 1:

Hero - Has been playing fairly snug and has not shown any bluffs. One player at the table recently made a remark about how shocked he was when I entered a hand. Stack ~ 650

V1 - Has been VERY loose and somewhat aggressive. However, his aggression is transparent as he bets a around 1/3 of the pot when he's bluffing/semi-bluffing and 3/4 pot when has a made hand. Hero has no significant history with this V. Stack ~650

V2 - Somewhat loose however not extreme, and has been moderately aggressive as well. Been caught bluffing a river when he busted a flush draw. He was leading out that entire hand with his flush draw. A regular as many other players know him, yet hero has no significant history with this V. Stack ~750

folded around to Hero
Hero in HJ w/ A10 raises to 20
V1 calls in SB
V2 calls in BB

Flop (55)
Q73
V1 checks
V2 bets 25
Hero calls
V1 calls

Turn (130)
8
V1 checks
V2 bets 80
Hero: Calls
V1 Calls

River (370)
4
V1 Checks
V2 Checks
Hero Bets 115
V1 Calls
V2 folds
Hero Shows
V1 mucks
V2 claims to have small flush

Hand 2:

Hero - Same image as above

V1 - Same V1 as above, except now V1 and hero have the history of the above hand.

V2 - Same V2 as above, except now V2 and hero have the history of the above hand.

V3 - Just moved to table within the last orbit. Is playing tight and has been making remarks that he never gambles and only plays poker. Openly talking poker strategy at the table and appears competent (except for the fact that he's discussing this with the table). Stack - 500

V4 - Has recently taking two all-in bad beats and is starting to unwind. Pulled out $10000 cash at the table and said he'll sit here all night until he loses it all. Drinking. Now is playing gambooly but I believe this is due to tilt. Stack size ~300

V5 - Old man that recently moved to table. Looks to be in 60's. Hasn't played a hand in the 6 that he's been dealt. Stack size ~ 200

Onto the second hand. :

UTG V1: Limps
UTG+1 V2: Limps
Hero in CO w/ A3 Limps
V3 BTN: Limps
V4 SB: Calls
V5 BB: Checks

Flop (25)
AJ9
V1: Checks
V2: Checks
Hero: Bets 20
V3: Calls
V4: Calls
V5: Folds
V1: Calls
V2: Calls

Turn (125)
3
V1: Checks
V2: Checks
Hero: Bets 80
V3: Folds
V4: Folds
V1: Calls
V2: Raises to 280
Hero: Calls
V1 Folds

River (685)
7
V2 Bets 205
Hero Calls

V Shows AxJx
Hero Mucks

My thought process here was along the lines with most of you. I was thinking 10d8d or Qd10d. I just couldn't see him flatting with 2 pair being the last to act OTF . I also wouldn't see him playing a set this way, but thats besides the fact because I see him raising 99 and JJ pre. Anyways thanks for the input Normally I just have to really have an inclination that someone has a value range when calling re-raises especially on turn/river. It's so rare in LLSNL, I'm considering just never bluff catching unless V is an absolute crazy maniac.

Why do many think we should raise the flop in hand 1? We can't have a lot of fold equity vs these guys.

I think its best to flat flop, then when bet into raise the turn to about 220. V's sizing tells us he has a hand, its possible v1 was also on a FD, we're deep enough that it will be hard to get it all in otherwise, and raising the turn leaves our perceived range wider.

Hand 1 is probably a raise, I would make it 180ish too keep V in. Calling isn't bad either though.

Hand 2 is probably just a call. Can't easily be beat but your hand is too strong to fold imo.