Preflop, at a table that doesn't give action to bigger raises, you can go for a limp/reraise and if it whiffs, you have a concealed strong hand.

Ya, bet/folding the flop is bad.

And the pot is simply too big to ever consider folding on any street after we hit our flush; we'll run into worse flushes / trips / lol overpairs enough.

The SPR on the flop is 3.5 (at least against the one opponent we have a stack size for). I'm never folding the nut flush postflop unless the board double pairs / trips / quads out.

Well, if the table is loose passive, you're not going to see a worse flush draw raise our Cbet. So IMO, we can easily b/f the flop since a raise means Villain has 8x most likely.

Even if Villain would be raising us with T9 exactly, we're only 56% ahead. But I don't think a "loose passive" table is putting in a lot of raises on the flop on this board without 8x.

If one of the "double barrel" kids from the CO and Button raise, then maybe we can call I suppose, but we're calling to hit a flush only since 8x is still in their range and there's no sense in overplaying our hand if we turn TPTK on this board.

(and if the board quads out, you A might be good... you never know... )

With this SPR (I can only assume other stacks are similar), I just don't see how we can bet this flop only to fold to a raise. If I'm betting this flop, I'm betting to shove (although I still feel check/shoving is better).

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Seems like it's a pokerstove question at that point. Maybe one of you should run the numbers? It might be educational to both of you.

Nice level op.

Bet/call flop
bet / chkraise turn
lead river

Thanx for all the feedback I will asborb it and will respond to some of it later. And to all the people calling me nitty, it's fine but OP says has a "TAG Image". I"m not defending cause quite frankly I could care less, I just want to understand how and why to play the hand better, but in a loose passive 1-3 game, when you are raising 1-2 hands per orbit, bet folding, not defending the big blind, and also making bets of more than $50 dollars, the perception is Tag. And in many cases my overall game in a 1-3 is going to be nitty, because I'm not getting a lot of folds in certain spots.

ANyways not to derail, but wanted to clarify. And even with most the analysis I still like check calling flop because I just think in order to win this pot I have to improve and I don't want to bet flop, bet turn, then check fold river, unimproved or turn my hand into a bluff. I do however see that it's a much better line when we do improve because it's easier to get value and size the turn bet against 1 opponent or vs multiway action to either feint weakness or just value the group.

I agree about the river play... I should have donked... River play-- bleh..

I'm thankful for all the help but this... doesn't help me understand why. I do agree this hand could have been, should have been played different, at least on the river but I'm a member of this forum to understand the why more than the what.

Not a level. I don't know if you ever remember, when grinding, you played a hand poorly and didn't like your line. Amazing, for some of us, it still happens.

I like this. I haven't done this much but maybe next time I'll try this. I didn't get a ton of premium in EP but it was problematic cause a few times when I'd raise 10< I"d get 5+ callers, 12+ just win the blinds.

Yeah, just remember that you're still out of position in a limped pot so your postflop play is going to be twisted from what you'd normally do with a premium hand. Sometimes you'll check and fold the flop quietly. Other times, the c/c, c/r line is appropriate.

What kind of hand range are you doing this with? And you're only doing this in low NL where raising with say TT, JJ, AQ and AK is getting 5 way + action right?

few things about this hand:

1. I would like too see you raise more pf, you are UTG and $10 seems too little and you will get alot of callers, and AK does not play well in a 6 way pot. I would raise $13-$15.

2. I'm always almost betting here otf. You have two overs and the NFD, and I'd bet about $35-$45. This achieves a couple things: thins the field, and also gives you an idea of the hand ranges you are up against. Possibly 8x or even a weaker FD might call you here. Some v's might call you here with 7x, but unlikely, 99-JJ will call you here as well. The old man's range here is 8x or some kind of pocket pair (99-JJ) with his bet otf. I'm assuming its HU ott, and in this case I dont mind the flat here. No need to really bloat the pot.

3. ott, I would bet the turn (about $60), if the old man has an 8x he will almost always call here. Since you checked and he bets, I would check raise here to about $100, put the old man to the test, and if he thinks his trip 8s are good, make him commit the rest and call.

4. Always bet the river, you are losing value by not betting here. In fact, I would probably put the old man all in at this point.

You played wrong on every street except maybe pre-flop. The pf is OK but after that I cannot see your logic. Why so much checking?

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In game as soon as the flop came and I checked I wasn't happy TBH. I was thinking for a bit and because of SPR I was trying to find sizing that made sense and didn't want to under bet and invite most the field or over bet. I also wasn't sure if my plan in the hand was to bet flop and then shove any turn because I covered all players in this hand. With that being said going back I still would have preferred to bet flop.

As played, the guy who bets flop almost always has at least one pair+ in my mind. He rarely/never has a draw based on a few hands I'd seen him play passively. He just sat down maybe one orbit and I saw him limp with A-10 and check all the way to the river with pair of Aces. Because of my read I didn't see much reason to check raise flop and get it in because he'll almost always have trips+ or sometimes I suppose an over pair. Also I flatted flop because I didn't want to squeeze out one or two players behind me with worse diamonds or straight draws etc. Especially with his small bet sizing I was expecting one or more players to call.

The turn becomes heads up and because of the way I played the flop I decide to check/call because it's heads up and I figure given Villains range he'll still be betting turn and if he does shut down I'll value bet river.

He bets I didn't honestly think to check raise.

River comes and I check it off, hoping my hand looks pretty weak and he'll bet another street for value and he checks it off.

I'm not happy with how I played this hand but this was my thinking as the hand was transpiring. I got lost on the turn and the river especially because of the way the flop was played.

We should be thinking about how to get all our money into the middle of the pot as soon as possible. Betting flop/turn is the best way to set-up a river shove if you hit one of your 15 outs. His range here consists of (QQ,JJ,TT,99,A8,98,77). You have 38% equity against that range. Once you bink an out, your job is to get stacks in as soon as possible.

Check/calling flop and leading a diamond turn looks Very Strong - stronger than betting flop/turn yourself. However, most Low stakes players cannot hand-read, and may be unable to interpret your strength. For that reason, I don't mind this line so much. As played, once the diamond hits on the turn, we have to be betting out. We need to get stacks in ASAP. With a loose-passive villain the odds are simply too high that he will check back turn or bet something small (you said yourself that he checked three streets with A10). On the turn, Bet >> Check/Raise >>>> Check/Call.

As played, on the river you absolutely have to bet. I'd say, bet some bluffish amount, like 3/4 pot. Checking the river is super bad.

Would you bet/call a shove on the flop? Aren't we always running into 8x?

He could be shoving 8x, but he could also have overpairs, 77, T9dd or 65dd.

You have decent equity to call a shove though

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