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Originally Posted by TexAg06
I disagree with almost everything posted above, except for raising pre.
Why are you suggesting to raise flop more and shove turn? What does raising the flop accomplish? And why on earth would you shove the turn and fold out any hands that could potentially call a river value bet?
I don't understand this post.
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Originally Posted by 5CardDrew
I was thinking the same thing... What busted draws?
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Originally Posted by blackcollar
The flop raise is just fine, imo. Assuming Villain 1 calls and all else folds, Villain 1 only has about $200 behind, fine raise sizing.
Look at the way villain 2 played his hand, and see if he's on a pure bluff... I'm reffering to your last line.
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Originally Posted by TexAg06
I disagree with almost everything posted above, except for raising pre.
Why are you suggesting to raise flop more and shove turn? What does raising the flop accomplish? And why on earth would you shove the turn and fold out any hands that could potentially call a river value bet?
I don't understand this post.
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Originally Posted by 5CardDrew
I was thinking the same thing... What busted draws?
flatting AK pre, Hero seemed committed to torching his stack so I just thought I'd help him along -- seriously though, this all depends on our reads of V1 and V2.
First, we should be maxing value against the fish on all streets. His likely inelasticity means that we're leaving money on the table when he calls $200-$225+ or stack off with worse as often as he would $185. Advocating a line that results in less value against a fish because we give him credit for being able to bet/fold a made hand is asinine; flatting and letting the world come along while we hope TPTK holds up is almost as bad, even if our motivation is to let him keep bluffing.
V2 in the BB can put us on a range heavy in strong one pair hands when we raise the fish small on this dry flop. Having taken a max-value line against the fish, when V2 surprises us by calling and the fish by folding, the spr will likely be too shallow for us to do anything but gii. This does not mean we made a mistake by trying to stack the fish.
Now, with his information advantage, V2 may well feel he can own us with a river lead if we check back turn, which is another reason even as played for barreling. If he's skilled, he'll as likely as anything else fastplay his flopped 2pr+ hands going after Hero's larger stack and letting the fish go.
His range from the BB should be wide and includes Axs/Kxs with BDFD (the draws that can brick out), middle pairs, etc, which make for WAWB as was mentioned (excepting pair+diamonds on the turn) Problem is, his WB hands are never drawing dead and we would really like it if they just went away because we're going to know even less about where we are on the river (after a checked turn) than we do now
This is a tough spot we shouldn't be in, but if our read of V2 as a strong player means anything, it's that calling two cold doesn't automatically mean he has the nuts.
Last edited by Degenfish; 01-31-2013 at 02:13 PM.