V1 is IMHO, a smart LAG who limps alot preflop, bets the flop with a wide range and likes to see the turn if possible. His stack is $650 after having 2 bad players ship their stacks to him.

V2 is a bad LAG who likes to put in pot sweetner raises in postion, especially with limpers. He does not seem positionally aware overall. He reraised all in with an under pair on an Ace hi board and got caught. His stack is $200 after rebuying.

Hero is perceived as very TAG (especially the tight part). Players have been making comments about how tight I am and folding to my preflop raises. Hero has been playing for 2 hours and has $204 in his stack.

Hero has AKo in the BB.

2 folds, V1 raises to $15, BTN cold calls, $15, V2 cold calls $15, Hero reraises to $50, V1 thinks and calls, BTN folds, SB quickly calls.

At this point, I am putting, V1 on 10s-QQs, and AKo, AKs. I think SB has a wider range of pocket pairs, 55s-10s, and AQs, AKs, AKo.

(3 players) $165

FLOP-A 10 7

HERO bets remaining stack, V1 calls quickly, SB thinks and then folds.

Standard?

I probably also 3bet preflop thanks to our image plus the dead money in the pot. I make it a lot larger though, say a typical 3 x initialraise + callers = $75. If we get called, this will typically set up a HU pot for $180 with us having $130 that we can easily ship on any flop.

As played, I don't see what else we can do but ship the flop.

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I'd flat preflop, then stack off if I flop my pair. But 3-betting pre is alright too, but I think flatting pre is better. If you 3-bet pre, make it $60. If you get just one caller, pot will be about $140, you'll have about $140 left. Shove on basically ANY flop whether you hit or not.

You would flat preflop?

Seriously yoda, you're playing fit/fold with AK?

How do you play this bad?

Unless villian will stack off with AQ or AJ you're probably in bad shape. MAYBE there's a slight chance he'll level himself into calling w/ KK or QQ. Even if he calls with a hand like KQ (idk if u had a club or not) you're not going to be that fair ahead. I think a bet fold, as horrible as that sounds, is probably your best bet.

3 bet too small pre, and ship flop.

Yeah I'm playing fit or fold in a 4-way pot. We're getting 3-1 and our odds of flopping top pair are 2-1.

With AK or AQ, you often don't need to put in any more money preflop than necessary if just flatting will create the right situation to stack off w/ top pair.

Bet/fold?

Holy cow dude, what's the point of even playing AK if you're going to bet/fold after hitting A or K on the flop?

My suggestion is to do some seriously reading elsewhere before playing again.

It's truly amazing that you find the motivation and BR to be playing on a regular basis.

I think your play is fine, I'd just bet more pre-flop...around $65, I think.

I'd raise to $75 PF, and ship the flop.

+1

You want to flat AK pre-flop when you're deep so you can keep in Ax. That's not the case here. Raise to $75, and ship your $125 on any A or K high flop or any dry board. Expect to get some folds pre-flop with that raise size too.

yeahhhhh betfold is a great play here with stack sizes

level???

Question for all: Hypothetically if we get 4 bet shoved pre after making it, say $65, are we 4bet/folding?

We are never ever folding TPTK with an SPR of 1.1 without actually seeing his hand.

Against this villain, yes.

thats what I figured

I'm just surprised how many people want to 3bet to 65 or 75....

Just ship it pre flop.... Ak wants to see 5 cards....were you really planning on raising to 75..creating a pot of 180 when some shoved and folding Ak for another 125....

3 bet all in...

You're basically under-valuing AK to shove pre-flop for $30 profit.

Sorry to threadjack but I've had similar situations with my AK, where I've 3B a string of limpers, gotten HU but I've missed the flop. For example, as many of you have said, is shipping the flop even if we miss pretty standard and +EV?

Suppose I have the same situation, only the opponent is a typical calling station, is it still +EV to ship any flop if I can create an SPR of around 1-1.5?

Grunch: Shove preflop IMO. Proper 3bet size is like $80 or something off the top of my head, and that leaves you with ~$120 in a ~$160 pot HU which SUCKS imo with AK. Shove and take down the $45 in dead money.

Absolutely not. If you must fold to a 4 bet, then you made a previous error by 3 betting. Once you 3 bet to 65, if you fold to a 4 bet you have made a serious mistake. (And a very novice error at that)


Shoving is another option, and i would select either option of 3 bet to 85 or shove depending on how i think V1 will react with 88 99.

So stack off w/ a one pair hand for 150bb's? What is villian calling w/ that we beat?

Stack sizes would be our ONLY option for shoving. I know about SPR and I know it says to shove here but are we ever value owning ourselves? Dude did say that V1 was smart TAG did he not?

Jesus christ, some of these posts.. wow.

Flatting preflop is just awful.
Bet/folding a K/A high flop IF WE DO FLAT post is awful 100bb deep.

3bet pre to 70. Get stack in on most flops (332 yes, 876 no).