Weird spot that came up Yesterday.

$450 Effective

Reads on V are: Tight passive, fairly fishy. Usually playing pretty straight forward & faceup. Is running hot and isn't getting out of line.

How I'm viewed by the table: Tight Aggressive, playing very few pots borderline nitty (due to being card dead) and usually have it when the money stars to go in.

OTTH
1$/$3 9max

Hero raises UTG w AKo to $20. V on my direct left 3! To $60 folds back to hero?

I pretty much give him a nutted range of TT+ & "MAYBE" AKss. Where 150BB deep OOP against a strong range against a tight opponent. If with call the pot will be $125 with roughly $400 behind, maths says where only going to hit the flop 1:3 times... Also our hand carry's some reversed implied odds in the sense that if the flop comes
Ah Js 2d and If has a hand like JJ he's probably going to go for 3 streets of value depending on the runout and were pretty much forced to call down essentially bluff catching. Or say the flop comes Kh 5c 2d how much money do you think he puts in and/or we make if he has the TT-QQ part of his range?

Is this a 4bet or fold type spot? If so would you just ship the $450 and go for max FE or do we 4! To $180 and call/fold to the reshove. Or do we just save $40 and fold?

All thoughts appreciated.

Gotta fold out of position against a tight
player, I think your preflop raise was to
big, I would make it 9-12.

folding is fine

Utg raise is way too big,would rather 8-10 doesnt really polarize you hand too much
When i see people make massive raises utg is usually JJ that dont want to get cracked or AK/AQ.
As for the hand I dont hate calling oop but not loving it either
the issue is the size of the raise is just so massive which is a knock on effect from your utg raise.
Any idea of his 3bet range?
I think i would just let it go. no need to get into a dick swinging contest with a guy on a heater.
Maybe he has got AQ/AJ or QQ who know just take a note of it and move on

I listed his perceived 3bet range above. $15-$30 is standard for the table dynamics. Pots we're going to multiway because as we know fish love seeing flops! Please do not digress on the open sizing.

easy fold

Straight into the muck.

Raising AKo UTG is on the LAGgy side due to bad position, getting 3-bet by a straightforward +1 and no further odds from callers is a snap fold. You have a drawing hand and no positional advantage, you have to hit the flop which you only do 1/3 of the time and even that might be RIO vs an overpair or set. Plus he gets to use position to control the pot and draws, you're deep enough where this matters.

4-betting a straightforward +1 who 3x's you is lighting money on fire: Best case he folds JJ-TT or his own AK and you win a small pot, middle case he calls with QQ and you flip at a small disadvantage (or AK and likely chop with a disadvantage to AKs), worst case he calls with AA/KK and you are crushed for a huge pot. Fishy tight passive players don't 3! 99- or AQ-.

Definitely fold. I'd usually open a bit less also but that's probably just game dependent.

Fold to 3bet. Also raise size is fine, LOL @ raising 3bb with premiums if people call off 7bb without blinking.

LOL 👆
Thorware: "ak is a laggy open from utg".

Please sip on that old ☕️ a little longer

Sigh Fold to 3! pre unfortunately.

I'd fold. A tight/passive guy is 3betting and in EP at that. We have poor IO postflop on A/K high flops against QQ- (where we are unlikely to win all that much) plus we have poor RIO odds on A/K high flops when behind to monsters.

ETA: Regarding preflop, at my table $20 can easily be too small, and in fact at loose tables I'd much rather limp/reraise AK in EP unless most stacks are <= $200.

GcluelessNLnoobG

If his range is really TT+ we should not fold to the 3! But TT, JJ, maybe QQ really don't fit into the 3b range for a tight passive 3! an UTG open from EP. From Vs description I would guess his range is really more like KK+ and 50% of QQ and AKs or something along those lines, and it is a sigh fold here.

Why not?

Sure, we're getting the correct odds to call against that range... but that only works *if* the betting stops preflop and we get to see the run out of all 5 cards. If we whiff the flop, we can't call a bet (which is most likely coming) in order to realize our equity on the turn/river. Plus poor IO / poor RIO when we do hit the flop.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Calling 40 @ 80, and hero is going to flop a pair about 1/3 of time, we are getting direct odds to pair mine ze flop. Sure, position is bad, IO is bad, and this isn't hugely +EV, but its slightly better than folding.

If V is only going to continue to a 4! with KK+ (pretty reasonable assumption in these games?) I think 4! is probably the most + EV move here. V is going to fold 18/24 (TT+) combos, 75% of the time, a 4! to $150 in that scenario is +28.50 on FE alone.

Either way I think it is kind of moot, as that V description just doesn't fit with 3! TT, JJ. Which obviously hero needs those combos in Vs range, or this is an easy fold.

in which universe does tight/passive guy 3! TT utg+2?

In my games, this is typically QQ/KK/AA only... and I'd remove about half the QQ combos.

This, don't 4bet. Regarding calling and playing a pot OOP. I think vs a nitty player and while OOP it's just not gonna be that profitable. You're gonna lose your stack when you hit TPTK and villain has top set / overpair and the rest of the time you c/f. When you make a better hand with TPTK it's gonna be tough to get value from KK/QQ especialyl while OOP.

Easy fold; next hand.