1-2NL Tampa

i just sit down at table. villain is about 20 years old. hoodie pulled up over his head, sunglasses on, and headphones in. i'm stereotyping him as young aggressive kid... not necessarily good aggressive; this is florida... most likely recklessly aggressive.

second hand at the table with no real reads

PRE FLOP
hero ($300) UTG: raises to 7 with AK
3 calls
villain ($320) in small blind: raises to 40
hero: calls
button ($60): calls

i was almost expecting villain to squeeze and make moves like this.

FLOP (3 players)
KQ9

villain: checks
hero: ??

If I understand this correctly, the button only has $20 left.

If you think villian is reckelss agressive, and you don't mind big swings, then check to him and come over the the top by shipping it!

With $141 in the pot, both of you are close to pot committed with any more betting whatsoever.

You shouldn't include results, it makes people biased.

unlucky.

seriously, though, what calls your flop shove that you beat?

nothing.

definition of RIO.

Do you really think a V with the description you gave is checking this Flop very often ... unless he smashes it?! Even with JJ a player as you wish to describe him will c-bet most of the time.

You need to remember that you are also an unknown to him and thus he 'should' play as close to 'his' ABC poker as well. A raise to $40 in 1-2 needs to be taken seriously regardless of who makes it.

You kind of confirm your read on him with his call though ... he is not priced into this call when you jam if he really thinks you have a straight. But why would you jam with a made hand here? There is no flush to worry about and you want sets to call all day. Did you really call $33 PF with JT? He is ahead of AA.

You know you messed up .. Tell a story that goes with your previous actions during each hand.

As far as what to change? A bet here is fine. Bet out $40-$60 and get the shorty all in. You want JJ/TT to float a street and don't really want to commit yourself to a jam if he c/r you. You have AQ crushed at this point ... why scare off hands you beat? If you don't plan to call a c/r, then check it through and maybe you pick up a straight draw or improve somehow.

A check is OK as well, but get shorty's money in there at least. If you are running with the image you put on him, he will come along with 88+ and you get a little more from him. Bet an amount that gets his whole range to call ... not just hands that beat you that 'may' be foolishly calling thinking they are beat anyway. GL

Shoving the flop is terrible. Play the hand normally and bet a ~1/2 psb on the flop.

Raise bigger pre and bet pot on flop. As played fold to the 3-bet wtf

If you sit down and you have a player at the table that makes you feel uneasy because of his dress or demeanour (as in this case), and you feel he may put you in some difficult spots with a wide range, then buy in less, say 50bb or whatever. Then, once you have a better read you can buy in for more.

What do you expect him to fold on the flop, when you shove, that is beating you?

What do you expect him to call with, when you shove, that is behind you?

If you can't give me a good answer to either (maybe both) of these, then your shove was bad.

Also, your flop logic is terrible.
If you put lots of air in his range, why would you jam if you connect?
Then he can just fold all of his bluffs, and call with all of his monsters and play perfectly. Seems like the worst possible choice.

Is it common for hoodies, sunglasses, and headphones to induce these kinds of shoves?

I think your image is important here. You saw a hoodie, headphones, and sunglasses and thought he would be wide.

What hands do you look like you will open from utg that someone would be willing to 3bet you out of the blinds with? Do you look like someone that an aggro kid would want to 3bet and play out of position? If not, I think this is a fold pre. If I call here I am not looking to get it in with tptk. I'm looking for str or flushes and a small pot.

This is be the perfect trap hand that you don't have to play it because have nothing with your A-K to commit for stacks, so why not get rid of it?

As played I bet out $100. However, I prefer a 4-bet preflop in this spot. This way you get heads up with our villian, or even better, win the hand preflop.

lol ... 1/2, V raises to $40 PF and we're surprised when he has KK? Then makes top set and calls a shove!?

No wonder the button only has $60 left. Um, yeah I'll call the $40, which leaves me $20 behind to fold. LOL!

thanks guys. i don't even know why i questioned this... obvious spew especially post flop.

i will make the caveat that this is florida... that guy who folded his last 20 rebought for the min buyin of 60 about 8 times and rarely missed a flop regardless of price.

and i've seen these lagtard kids call down almost everything because they don't want to be bluffed out of a pot or just can't let go of their great starting hand. i expected to be called by pretty much any K and possibly even any pocket pair.

but calling a raise to 40 is pretty extreme without a real read... and my flop shove makes no sense. i just threw away $300.

the kid did end up being a lagtard (but i didn't see him raise to 40 again)... but i ended up just just waiting for hands and going into call-down mode and took about $150 back from him before he counted his chips and left the room with a small win.

i think i probably should have folded or re-raised pre... result may have been the same in this case but i think i can get more of his range into a bad spot or even fold to a preflop shove.

i think this is great advice. thanks for spelling it out.

That's good to hear!

Perfectly happy zipping 300$ pre in this spot.

If you 4bet, it has to be something stupid like $102 because his 3bet was so goofy. If he just randomly flats your 50bb 4bet (I'm guessing this will happen live), then post flop, you aren't folding UI much because you put 50+bb in pre, just play AK in a way that keeps his range wide when UI.

Well I just lost my post so this is a condensed version...

In the absence of reads, I tend to give people credit for a premium holding the first time they 3! until I have reason to think otherwise. People just aren't 3! much at 1/2 that to encounter a light 3! is pretty damn rare (in my opinion).

While 3! squeezing from the SB is actually a pretty useful play I think you've got to tread carefully here. If you assume a 3! range of AA, KK, QQ and AKs than this is a pretty horrible flop for you.

What are you beating on this flop? Nothing! Maybe it's weak but I would prefer a check on this flop and see how things develop.

Grunch

I'd raise more from UTG. I'd raise to $12 here. $7 is way too small especially with terrible position.

On the flop you have top pair and top kicker with an SPR between 2 and 3. I'd bet $80.

Edit: Read the other responses and yeah I'd fold to the PF 3-bet.

Spew Spew

Yeah... So OTF we shoved what, 260 into 120...? lol

When he 3-bets us pre, what range are we giving him? JJ is the BOTTOM of his range, and thats us being nice.
And, thats the only hand we beat....