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Aces OOP on dry flop facing raise from nit? Aces OOP on dry flop facing raise from nit?

03-21-2014 , 07:37 PM
Hero: Young Asian male. Talkative at table and generally having a good time. Solid loose-aggressive player. Been playing pretty aggressive preflop and taking down pots with cbets after fit or fold opponents miss flop. Also bet a couple of big hands hard and got paid off. Has a strong winning image and image of being action player.

Villain: Tight old man. Hero doesn't have much of a read on him since he hasn't really played a hand in the past hour, but seems to be your typical old man coffee.

$2/5 NL no max home game

SB
BB
UTG Hero ($800)
EP
EP2
MP Villain ($425)
MP2
LP
Button

Hero is dealt A A

UTG hero raises to $25, only MP Villain and huge fish in the SB call.

Flop ($75): 9 8 4

SB checks, Hero bets $50. MP Villain immediately cuts out $50 in chips to make the call, but right before placing them out, he withdraws them, thinks for a few seconds, and then proceeds to raise to $150. He was clearly intending to call first but changed his mind and decided to raise. SB folds. Hero?
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03-21-2014 , 07:44 PM
This one is more interesting, imo. I don't think there are many sets in his range, as board is pretty dry. Given your image, weak TP hands are def there though, as well as JT remembering something about FE, and of course 98s.

I flat this and c/eval turn. Likely getting it in on a blank.
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03-21-2014 , 07:56 PM
With the stack sizes, what are the advantages of flatting and reevaluating vs. just re-raising all in on the flop? With stacks being this shallow, we really don't have room to reevaluate the turn. Sure, he might fold a top pair good kicker type hand, but if I flat, he's often checking those hands behind too and getting to see a free river. Following your line, we're stacking off to a set anyways, why not shove now and protect hand from further cards?
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03-21-2014 , 08:07 PM
Cause we don't really care about further cards against most of his range, esp the ones that might fold. Only JT likely has many outs. The rest of his range that could fold to a shove are drawing to 5-outs.
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03-21-2014 , 08:08 PM
shove to avoid subsequent overcards killing action to 10's-QQ, which a true old man coffee has so often here
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03-21-2014 , 08:12 PM
Really nothing to fear here IMO. He may have QQ/JJ and think you may be on a OESD or he doesnt want to see A/K on Turn. I like the flat and lead out on almost any Turn except K/Q/J.

You could repop it and he will call with KK but maybe not QQ/JJ ... GL
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03-21-2014 , 08:39 PM
All in. If he flopped a set or has 89 good for him. Would expect to see JJ-KK here pretty often
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03-21-2014 , 10:00 PM
250.
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03-22-2014 , 10:46 AM
Villain has $250 behind after he raises....if stacks were deeper then I'd play differently but given description I think he shows up with KK-TT majority of the time. Shove and get the money in the middle....
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03-22-2014 , 10:47 AM
Flatting is bad....don't want to see an A or K coming which would probably scare him off his hand. If he has a set....so be it...I'd take 2 pair out of his range given description.
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03-22-2014 , 12:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by timmay28
shove to avoid subsequent overcards killing action to 10's-QQ, which a true old man coffee has so often here
Quote:
Originally Posted by wj94
All in. If he flopped a set or has 89 good for him. Would expect to see JJ-KK here pretty often
+1 on the reads, -1 on the action.

A true OMC has 1010+ here like 90% of the time. Maybe I'm exaggerating a little. Nevertheless, his entire range consists of 98s, 44, 88, 99 & 1010+.

If we shove he obviously always calls with two pair or a set. More importantly, what percentage of the time does he stack off with 1010-KK? It's not 100%. Not all nitty OMCs stack off 100% of the time with any overpair. Even if he calls it off 90% we just left $25 on the table. It's probably closer to 80%.

If we flat, he's shipping or bet/calling all non K/A turns. So, why would we eber give him the opportunity to play perfectly against us by shoving? Even if he only does so 10-20% of the time?
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03-22-2014 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by gotwoot
+1 on the reads, -1 on the action.

A true OMC has 1010+ here like 90% of the time. Maybe I'm exaggerating a little. Nevertheless, his entire range consists of 98s, 44, 88, 99 & 1010+.

If we shove he obviously always calls with two pair or a set. More importantly, what percentage of the time does he stack off with 1010-KK? It's not 100%. Not all nitty OMCs stack off 100% of the time with any overpair. Even if he calls it off 90% we just left $25 on the table. It's probably closer to 80%.

If we flat, he's shipping or bet/calling all non K/A turns. So, why would we eber give him the opportunity to play perfectly against us by shoving? Even if he only does so 10-20% of the time?
OMC does not raise/fold ever. When they raise they're getting it in, especially given stack sizes.
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