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AA v 22 - Could I have done better? AA v 22 - Could I have done better?

12-05-2011 , 01:45 PM
Hi all, this is my first post on here even though I've been reading a few posts on here for the past few months and I must say I felt like they have improved my game .

So last night I opted to go down to the casino and play a bit of cash (which has proven more profitable for me recently compared to online lol). I was going to play the £1/£2 table but the tables were full and a £1/£1 was just opening so I decided to sit on that instead. I sat down with £100 and within a few hours had built it up to about £250 & all seemed to be going well.

Anyway, one hand I was on the button and was dealt Aces. First 2 players fold, then it gets raised to £4, there are 4 callers before it reaches me. I raise to £16 and everybody folds but 1 who decides to call.

Flop comes 424 rainbow. The guy bets out about half of the pot at £25, I reraise to £65 & he then shoves. (Now, I'm putting him on a big pocket pair with the board being dry, probably QQ / KK, as it's highly unlikely that he would come along preflop with A4). I call and turn is a 7 and river a J. He turns his hand over to show 22!

I didn't know what to make of this, TBH I was in shock, that he called me preflop with 22 & so asked him why he did. His reply was "Because I put you on a big pocket pair".. Then I was in even more shock with his reply! Surely that's a reason not to call??

Now did I play this correctly? Should I have raised it bigger preflop maybe? Maybe a check-raise postflop, which may have put him off shoving? Or was I just unlucky to have played this hand with such a fish lol!?
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12-05-2011 , 01:53 PM
If he didnt hit his 2 you would have never made this post and would have shipped a 32$ pot(16$your own money)-rake.

Instead he hits a 2 and knows he can stack you off if he trips up, hes just taking those odds i guess out of 3 cards to try and double up. Rarely does he call/raise any other flop, so his play is -ev in the long run. Most likely your raise could have been a little higher, he still might have called. I would push it to 20 next time If you have players like this at the table(your sensing).
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12-05-2011 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tubbz90
If he didnt hit his 2 you would have never made this post and would have shipped a 32$ pot(16$your own money)-rake.

Instead he hits a 2 and knows he can stack you off if he trips up, hes just taking those odds i guess out of 3 cards to try and double up. Rarely does he call/raise any other flop, so his play is -ev in the long run. Most likely your raise could have been a little higher, he still might have called. I would push it to 20 next time If you have players like this at the table(your sensing).
Ha, probably. Though I have been thinking of posting on here for a while, just wasn't sure about what/when.

I realise it was a badbeat, but was just wondering if it was because of my play, & if so how I could play it better next time, etc. I think I was more shocked the fact that he played 22 lol.. Ah well, live and learn
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12-05-2011 , 02:19 PM
Your preflop 3bet was too small, IMO. I would typically do 3x the original raise + all the other callers, so in this case (3 * $4) + $4 + $4 + $4 + $4 = $28. Plus perhaps even more since there are so many callers and thus the likelihood of one person calling our raise is increased.

You put a very small $16 raise into a pot that is already $20, therefore offering a rather enticing 3:1 for the first caller.

And if villain had the same stack you did, then he needed to call $12 to potentially win $270 (i.e. the pot plus the rest of your stack), so implied odds of 22.5x, which is a super easy call, especially against someone who will stack off with an overpair.

FWIW, even if villain did make a mistake (he didn't), you should never call him out on it at the table. Just tap the table and say "nice hand".
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12-05-2011 , 03:12 PM
how much was his shove for?
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12-05-2011 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Your preflop 3bet was too small, IMO. I would typically do 3x the original raise + all the other callers, so in this case (3 * $4) + $4 + $4 + $4 + $4 = $28. Plus perhaps even more since there are so many callers and thus the likelihood of one person calling our raise is increased.

You put a very small $16 raise into a pot that is already $20, therefore offering a rather enticing 3:1 for the first caller.

And if villain had the same stack you did, then he needed to call $12 to potentially win $270 (i.e. the pot plus the rest of your stack), so implied odds of 22.5x, which is a super easy call, especially against someone who will stack off with an overpair.

FWIW, even if villain did make a mistake (he didn't), you should never call him out on it at the table. Just tap the table and say "nice hand".
Ah, this makes sense. I hadn't thought of it like this. How would you have played it differently? Would you overbet the pot preflop? Not have called the shove, etc?
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12-05-2011 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by absherrj
how much was his shove for?
It was just short of £60, £58 I think it was.
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12-05-2011 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan236
Ah, this makes sense. I hadn't thought of it like this. How would you have played it differently? Would you overbet the pot preflop? Not have called the shove, etc?
I would have raised more preflop thanks to all the dead money in the pot; at least to $30. Hopefully someone thinks I'm "squeezing" and plays back at me.

As played, we're playing 250 BBs deep (if I've read things right). That's fairly deep. I usually go out of my way to not stack off with a hand as little as one pair when I'm 100 BBs deep. When I'm 250 BBs deep, it's not even an option that crosses my mind. I just don't do it; steal from me all the pots you wish. So if I did raise the flop, it would be with intentions of folding to a reraise. Otherwise, I might simply call down reasonable bets right from the get go, but even that might get to committing stacks and I might just have to fold to a big turn bet even though I've underrepped my hand on the flop.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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12-05-2011 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I would have raised more preflop thanks to all the dead money in the pot; at least to $30. Hopefully someone thinks I'm "squeezing" and plays back at me.

As played, we're playing 250 BBs deep (if I've read things right). That's fairly deep. I usually go out of my way to not stack off with a hand as little as one pair when I'm 100 BBs deep. When I'm 250 BBs deep, it's not even an option that crosses my mind. I just don't do it; steal from me all the pots you wish. So if I did raise the flop, it would be with intentions of folding to a reraise. Otherwise, I might simply call down reasonable bets right from the get go, but even that might get to committing stacks and I might just have to fold to a big turn bet even though I've underrepped my hand on the flop.

GcluelessNLnoobG
What you have said makes alot of sense. I'll defintely put it into practice next time .
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