Would like perspectives.


1/2 NL Live, 7 handed. Table Image: not F***ing around, decently tight. 3 Betting is not common at table.

Villain is not a spewtard or a total fish, he most likely doesn't have much poker knowledge but has common sense and is not gambling.




Hero is BB, Villain is 1st limper, middle position.

Hero picks up AA

Pre-flop: Fold, Fold, Limp, Limp, Fold, SB raises to 4BB, BB (Hero) raises takes time and raises to 11.5BB. 1st, MP limper takes time and calls, SB calls.

Flop: 6, 9, 9 Rainbow

SB check, I time check, MP (Villain) checks.

Turn: 6

SB check, BB (Hero) bet 37, MP (Villain) calls, SB folds. My thought on turn is too find out where I'm at: Betting the turn and if called to most likely bluff catch river.

River: Blank, I forget. I take 5-8 seconds and check. MP checks.





So did I do something wrong and if so what?

I thought I'm value-towning myself by any 9 from 6 to A; 67, 68, A6.
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And I'm extracting from 7s, 8s, and Ace High and maybe K Highs.

I'm betting turn to have a street of value and try to start figure out where I'm at, if MP has a 9. My plan most likely is to c/c river bet.

On River my thoughts are if he has 6 or 9 I can afford to call a bet, but if I bet I'm missing action on bluffs and ace-high steals and only extracting from 7s,88s,TTs, maybe JJs and A Highs and I'm towning myself on any made hand.

I didn't bet flop because I didn't see the need to bloat the pot on a board of two 99s only setting myself to get stacked, as well I figured I'd scare any big ace, KQ and possible 77-JJ; and hands like KQ, QJs, JTs etc I would love them drawing and then me betting turn looks weakish.




Am I wrong here? I don't think I did anything horrible, but I'm thinking it was sub-optimal, what do you guys think? Should I be getting a street of value on flop? Or should I start on turn and Bet-Fold on River. Like I said, I like the idea of getting value from bluff catching especially on double paired board and minimizing damage by c/c river if he has made hand. Did I fall victim to Monsters under the Bed?


Thanks very much guys. Rust is wearing off.

Feels like MP has some SDV hand like 88 or JJ and SB has OCs. I think you miss out on value and information when you dont bet that flop. 69$ out there, stab for 40$, I think once he checks the flop and just calls the turn you should bet river for value against PPs as he's missed so much value on any 6x 9x hand, both of which are really unlikely.

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I would have played your hand a little differently.

First I would have bet the flop. You are either way ahead or way behind. If you are already way ahead there is little value you will get from your hand. I would much rather find resistance on the flop rather than betting the turn and getting raised.

Second, I try to remember I am playing people and not ranges. It makes a difference if I can compare my hand to what I have seen Villain(s) play, and then determine what his probable range will be rather than hands that beat me compared to hands I beat.

Based on your table description I do not see any player calling your raise with 9x or 6x. I think you would be looking at big cards or big pairs.

EDIT: 1/2 NL Live, 7 handed. My Table Image: not F***ing around, decently tight. 3 Betting is not common at table.

After limp/calling a 3-bet villain's range is probably heavy with pocket pairs more than unpaired broadway type hands and people usually have tighter ranges out of the blinds. I wouldn't slow-play this flop in a 3-bet pot multiway. Although it hasn't likely hit anybody, there are plenty of hands you can get value from. Bet the flop for value and I wouldn't be afraid to GII depending on stack sizes which you didn't provide.

If MP is very loose pre-flop I don't mind slowplaying as much, but there is a small risk that you lose action if a Q/K comes OTT and SB has TT-QQ type hands.

On the turn our hand is even better, A-high type hands improved and most PPs are definitely calling a bet. This is for fat value, not to "see where we're at."

River I think is a must bet for fat value as well. You're leaving a lot on the table as most of villain's range has SDV and probably won't feel the need to bluff here but can call a bet. I'd bet about 2/3-3/4 pot probably.

Effective Stacks between me and Villian were 80+ BB.

I didn't have much play with Villian but most of the players I play with will play many 9x hands, especially limp call. What happens on River if he raises? We just b/f?

I think Betting River for thin value was probably better, but I'm sure scared to call if he would then raise. I call down a decent size bet when I check to him no problem most of time, especially since way I've played looks maybe like Two Overs and not TT+.


Thanks



He had 77.



So maybe I coulda got 3 streets of value, all-in on turn or river. But Idk, he prob respected my raise to a decent extent. If I C-bet flop I'm repping overpair, so simple question if believes me or not.

I kinda like the idea of checking flop, then bet turn, then bet/fold river?

Then again maybe it's 1/2 NL, and I should just bet, bet, bet for three streets of value and pay off 9s and get called by 77-QQ and AK, A-highs on double paired board, and QJ or KT if he pairs up on River.
More combos of 9s then PP's though, and AJ, AQ, KQ, QJ that stays in.

With a pot of 35 BB and only 70 BBs behind you should be stacking off on almost any flop. As others have said, he rarely l/c a 3 bet with a 9x or 6x hand. He almost always has a PP. so bet flop, maybe check turn to avoid tight folds from villain and then bet river to look like an AK bluff. Should be a minimum of two betting streets and your stack should be in the middle by the river. Even considering folding would be bad.

If you have around 80BB effective stacks to start the hand and the pot is already 36.5BB going to the flop then you can't really b/f except against very passive players here. The plan is to get your stack in the middle even before you see the flop, and this is a fairly safe flop. If you think Villain is loose enough to have a significant amount of 9x then his range is fairly weak and there's more reason to slow-play. I'd take a x/b/AI line against him, sizing the turn bet so that there is less than $100 effective to ship on the river. If he bets when checked to just ship it right away. I do think most non-terrible player's ranges are more PP heavy so I'd prefer to bet the flop, check any turn and ship any river, again leaving less than $100 for the river ship.

Also, I don't think the river is a thin value spot. Something like 88 or TT would be, probably with 88 being a check and TT being a ship for me. You have the best hand almost always.

what is this 4BB, 11.5BB ****? you are woefully neglecting the setting of the game by giving BB's

If you want real feed back give stack sizes and as much useful info as possible. As played you missed a street of value. Not betting this flop is bad. Just because someone could have flopped trips doesn't mean they did.

When speaking in terms of bet sizes just use dollars and be consistent.

Ye, I see this now, with the stack sizes. It's obvious. I had my QQ busted session before against JT off, with 9T5, Turn T. And in general I was running poor for 4 sessions before and I was going through some Monsters-Under-the-Bed psyche. Stack sizes makes it obvious. I kinda like check flop, bet turn, bet river when I look back at it; up until that point people never saw me C-bet flop without a good hand. B/f is River on horrible, I see that now.


To PFunk, you're right.

To MrDoomed, you're right.


I'm very rusty with playing poker and posting on 2+2.

Everything feels very fresh, and my influence of experience (hands) on perception (of game) feels small, cause I've only played 1000-1500 hands in last 2 weeks and nothing for 2-3 months before that, but it is coming back to me, much a due to you guys. Thanks