1/2 game I'm utg with $ 200 and its my third hand at the table.. I make it 15 to go with two red aces in the hole. Two middle position callers and everyone else folds. Flop comes 2 4 10 rainbow... I donk out 20 and mp 1 folds, mp 2 quickly bumps it to 60. I call are some deliberation and villain seems puzzled.

I check the turn dark.. Turn comes a 7, villain goes all in and has me well covered.. Hero?

Every thread today seems the same. You gotta give me some reads to fold AA in a 1/2 game when almost the only hands we are losing to are flopped sets.

I agree with above. But really I would put him on at best 99+ ak+ maybe with a bluff. The confused look might be hollywooding also. But I think stack off and hope he has kK.

Right. I had no time at the table to have any specific read on the guy since I had just sst down... Going through my mind was what could he possibly have to be showing so much strength with other than a set? AT and JJ I guess but QQ + are 3 betting pre flop 99% of the time right? So to me I feel like its a coin flip

I know, which is why this is a trivial call, unless you play 1/2 in some bizarro world where people aren't morons.

LLSNL players are notorious for grossly overvaluing made hands.

Most people don't 3 bet live like people do online, so I think they flat call with jj+ a lot. Atleast that's what I'm seeing.

Sigh.

Before posting look at other similar aa.

You are not deep. If he beats you here he beats you....quit outplaying yourself!! Bet more on flop... Fistpump shove flop....Gg.

You gotta remember the opposite. Why would he raise if he had a set on this board with an undersized c-bet where a raise is gunna make you fold an un paired hand.
If he had a set on a board like this and with you being so short stacked his best play would be to just call with anything that has you beat.



It's sooooo -ev to fold on a fistpump shove board like this.

Because you are posting it I assume you got beat. It happens.

LOL.. I give people too much damn credit.. I folded saying "nice set"and dude claimed kings.. I suck at this game lol

Thank you, no, mostly posting because I want to confirm that I'm ******ed and that this was a horrible spot to fold aces.. I just hate calling off my while stack with 1 pair, you know? .... But I don't believe the guy had kings and didn't 3 bet me pre, he either had the set and it was a good fold or it was AT or JJ ....tell me if I'm wrong though and I'm a chronic under valuer of rockets.. Cuz I'm a winning player but I think this may be one of my holes... I ****ing hate going deep with one pair!

lol the place i play at is mostly nitty regs (at least 4-5 per table)
every now and then a fish shows up then the whole room would want to table change to my table lol

Point being? Lol sorry

Everyone is solid in live 1/2, the games are dead.

Not where I play dude, plenty of fish on weekends, and predictable tags during the week

It was sarcasm, most people who play 1/2 are droolers. Most people are stations, with the regs being nitty, bad at hand reading, and take absurdly obvious stack-a-donk lines with their value hands.

I need a coach... I win pretty consistently but I feel I could be way better.. Like I've hit a wall

if your place has plenty of fishes this is easy shove/call
i used to overvalue made hands too like villain
then after that i started to have monster under the bed syndrome like hero
then ..............

it seems op is having similar situation

and op's hand is underrep since most live villains dont expect you raise utg with aa instead they will think limp reraising is the optimal line for aa utg

I like that

lol folding is especially bad after opening to 15 utg.

nothing says strong play like a 7.5x raise UTG to build a big pot only so you can make a weak c-bet and fold [the nuts] when someone plays back at you. if i c-bet 20 there, i'd be c-betting to induce, so i could win more monies, not so i could give more away.

Why do u bet 20 otf if not to induce? Your line should be bet bet bet here imo and play for stacks.

Also if u think its similar to a coin flip then you should still snap given pot odds

You guys make some good points, I did c bet to induce a call but didn't expect to get played back at. So basically I'm not folding AA at 1/2 without a strong read or a very scary board

Umm, when we say induce, we mean induce a raise. Your $20 bet kind of looks like a weird blocker bet / AK unsure of what to do so its likely you will be raised by any mid or top pair, any overpair, draws, or even complete air, therefore them raising you means you jam.

Don't fall into a never fold AA trap, this is just a very very very bad spot to fold AA given how little you have left behind and the way the hand played out.

Folding AA is generally dependent on how deep you are, # of players who saw the flop, how much action your one pair hand can stand, where an overpair stands vs opponents value raising range, how many real hand types are possible that beat you, etc etc

can you expand on this?

I understand everything else you're saying. Basically the only hand that beat me was a flopped set and that is just to unlikely to fold.especially given that 70% when he has a set hes flatting the flop

What I mean is that AA is just top pair.

On certain boards opponents will never be raising with just top pair good kicker for value, so if they are obviously betting for value you would be beat. Then on other boards/hand scenarios people could easily be betting something KQ with top pair. In your hand your opponent could easily be expecting top pair to be good due to your small flop bet and be raising for value.

Of course the main thing is how deep you are. In a pot where you raised pre flop 100bb deep and see a flop with just 1 or 2 others its not that common you end up mucking aces.