1/3 Table with 9 players
I bought in with $200. Just 4 hands earlier I was down to $61 and doubled up twice. When this hand came up I was up to $380 and was planning to leave when the blinds came back around. I was on the button and the 2 villains were MP and MP1.

READS

V1 (mp), Younger kid, only came the table about 30 min prior. He bought in for $300 and doubled up on his first hand and ever since was super aggresive, over betting pot with flopped bottom pair and was called on some big bluffs. At this point he was back down to approx 250

V2 (mp1), Older guy, one of the morning regs who is there every time I play which is not much but he is always there. He plays only big cards or pocket pairs. This is the player that doubled me up a few hands prior. He has $300 behind


Hero, My table imagine has to be pretty since most of the time I was very
short stacked.

I am dealt A A on the button
6 players limp, I raise to $21, V1 and V2 call

Flop K Q 4

MP checks
MP1 immediately pushes a stack of $75 forward, for someone who is in their 70s he moved quick.

What is my move?

I personally dread this flop holding AA against old Limit players.

Typically these nitty older regs limp call all day with KQ, funny thing is they know they need to flop two-pair/trips/straight to be good with it in a NL game.
They play KQ just the same as they did back in the Limit game days without much thought pre-flop. AK is also played with a limp calling line, but probably does not lead with the Q on board because they know only better hands call and JJ and lower PPs are folding. So AK is check called on Flop and when the Turn checks through leads on the River.

Fold.

I was sitting in seat so before I folded I flashed it to the dealer. After the hand I said that I should just go home if I was going to fold that. I was really mad at myself for the fold which is why I posted it here. Now that I am thinking about it and reading your reply I feel better about it. Thinking about how he quickly tossed in his chips he had to have loved the flop. Owell I left up almost $200 so I guess I shouldn't feel too bad about one hand.

no, no, no. Folding AA getting 2-1 is terrible.

This is an LDO call.

He said the old guy had 300 bux to start the hand so the $75 donk lead is just the start of his problems.

Not getting 2:1 for a shove.

Are you talking about calling getting 2:1 assuming V1(kid) comes along?

A call was never in my thought. I was either shoving or folding.

Lol misread

I'm thinking this is a raise. He might have 2 pair here, but I find these types of players like to slowplay those types of hands OOP. I think calling is bad, but I don't really know why. Just seems bad.

I'm calling looking to get it in on turn, from my experience these nitty older regs have AK enough of the time here. I'm sure most won't agree with me here but I'm not folding.

Grunch

My interpretation of villain: If he is a reg, I gotta believe he has some craft in his game to not open lead with 2pr+. I think this is Kx a decent amount of time

I really don't like to fold. I'm in the calling camp. What are we going to accomplish by raising?

Villain has Kxcc and AK a lot; I call

No way you can fold AA on this flop to a single bet

A push here is just too much and a raise is just awkward. This is a case of very bizarre stack sizes messing up the action in the hand. If you had like 1k behind I'd raise here like 100% of the time. I like a call and see the turn.

O.K. lets talk ranges.

I am going to take a shot here at Villains range. OP tells us that Villain is a older Reg that only plays big PP and big cards.

Proposed range: KK, QQ, AKs, AKo, KQs, KQo, AQs, and only one possible AA.

Raise more pre.
As played it should depend on reads a lot. Does he ever raise pre? If he doubled you up, how was that hand played? Is he steamed?

On ranges - I think most old gentlman do raise a buch of limprs with KK-AA and some even do it with QQ Also they rarely lead sets, prefering to c/r. I think it is AK/KQ/KJ much more often than it is KK/QQ.

So you say it is a fold?

A few details about this hand, please...

These ranges are fine for preflop. I would throw in JJ, TT and KcXc as for preflop range.

But you also have to factor in a flop donk lead to refine this range. With what range would he donk bet on the flop with?

If villain is a reg, he's played a decent amount of time. I'm not saying he's good, but he has to know the best way to make money is NOT donk leading on flop with a nutted hand. So, I would discount KQ+ a bit and weight his range towards Kcxc, AKs, AKo

Posting from phone so this may be a little sloppy. The double up i was mp with 22 flop came 24K it sb bet 12 dollars both villains from this hand call so i just call with my sneaky 22 turn came T now with 2 clubs it checked to old guy who beth 50 in a normal slow fashion i raised all in, other two fold he calls and shows AT off suite. he was drawing dead
I do put some emphasis on this hand he cut out 50 and slid it forward and in the hand in question he quickly pushed a stack forward. I have never seen him do this. Maybe it means nothing but it just seemed strong to me.

insta flat call

your range is awful and looks more like our range and not our opponents.

Villain's range is much more like KQ, KJ, AJcc, ATcc, JTcc, etc...

Knowing villains' kinda dumb after reading he called your crai ott with second pair, I'm much more inclined to assume his range is far more weighted into AK and KJs than 44 or TcJc or KQ. KK or QQ are really rare here, but I'm not discarding it.

If he called you with that second pair (assuming villain knows you, and even knowing you're a reg and tight he stacked with 2nd pair with your strong line) he will probably call your shove otf with any hand he donks.

I guess I'm inclined to shove 80% of the time and call/shove turn the other 20% if I feel he is donking to fold to a shove otf.

Anyway, you shouldn't blame yourself on folding this hand. I'm pretty sure that folding AA otf when old guys act like aggrobeasts will never be a leak imo.

P.S.: I'm putting my money on AK

I understand villain is old but how does he ever show up here with AK/QQ+? Like 100% of people are raising these hands PF

By being an old loose-passive. Limp calling AK and QQ is natural to an old gentleman as open raising these hands is for us. It is really, really common in LLSNL.

AA and KK are far less likely as many of them will opt on limp/raising them.

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