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04-23-2014 , 04:05 PM

Buckeyes22

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Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 7

Hero UTG+1 opens in 1/2 NL ($275 effective stack) to $15, gets 4 callers. Pot is $70 (after rake), flop comes 6d8d6s, small blind and big blind check. Hero bets $55, folds back to small blind -shoves for $300.

Hero only 1 to act, and tries to get information off of shover as he is new to game and not much information available, "so you got a 6?", no reaction, show him my AA, 'well should I call?', he immediately say, 'i would call. As little experience i have shows when someone gives any speech they typically have it.

Hero ??

Should I have checked behind on the flop to see a turn for free or cheaper if 2 in late position bet small?

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04-23-2014 , 04:23 PM

iraisetoomuch

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Dont show your hand.

If you end up folding people will feel they can push you off big hands. They may play back at you, or you may just level your self into thinking they are. Either way it makes your decisions harder than you need.

As for here: pot has $400, we need $230 more to call.
Pretty sure that Im calling here if I think that he can shove some percentage of XXdd here.

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04-23-2014 , 04:23 PM

TrubyKGB

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Need a villain description...do you have the ace of diamonds? Guess I'm calling if I'm read less.Never putting him on a boat since he would most likely slow play. We're dominating his 8x and over pairs.In good shape against his draws plus we have redraws to a boat.

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04-23-2014 , 04:40 PM

Sebastes Pinneger

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 721

Strange way to play a hand that has you beat, 66, 88, 86, 6X.

Smells more like the shove is a big draw going for FE more than value.

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04-23-2014 , 04:44 PM

beauvanlaanen

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I dislike raise so big pre. Is that your standard raise? If so I think you should strongly consider raising smaller.

Also, don't show your hand. People don't think your cool if you fold AA face up.

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04-23-2014 , 04:46 PM

Buckeyes22

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@trubyKGB, no ace of diamonds.

@I raisetoomuch-Part of the reason I showed was I leaning towards folding but if he didn't give me any information I was going to call. I didn't expect him to say, "i would call"

@sebastes 'Smells more like the shove is a big draw going for FE more than value.'-that's what I was afraid of....

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04-23-2014 , 05:07 PM

eldiesel

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,585

Need descriptions but you beat 99-KK and A8 and fd's are a part of his range too. I insta-call.

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04-23-2014 , 05:07 PM

I LOVE (the) NUTS

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Originally Posted by Buckeyes22

This is a big raise, and I'm inclined to think it's not a monster. You're considering folding Aces on this board purely because of his raise sizing...doesn't that say "I don't really want a call?"

He may have worse overpairs, combo draws, big diamond draws

I would call.

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04-23-2014 , 05:24 PM

Troyble

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Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 346

Definitely don't show your hand.

Without a read this is a snap call in the games I play in. Just about everyone slowplays 6x or 88 here.

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04-23-2014 , 06:08 PM

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TheGramuel

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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen

I dislike raise so big pre. Is that your standard raise? If so I think you should strongly consider raising smaller.

If we're raising to $15 UTG + 1 and getting four callers, I think we should be raising bigger, not smaller.

Table conditions yada.

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04-23-2014 , 06:18 PM

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Troyble

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Critiquing the size of the pfr seems completely pointless. The "standard" 1/2 open raise varies so widely from casino to casino, and even table to table, that we simply don't have enough information to give good advice. $15 could be completely standard, or it could be telegraphing his hand as JJ+... We have no way of knowing.

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04-23-2014 , 06:19 PM

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Clark292

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I would never have turned my hand over, once he says that he would call then now we are going over the process of what that means. Is he saying he would call because he has a monster or is he saying that so we will go into reverse physiology? I agree with everyone else that unless he sees you as a donk who will call off with an over pair then his hand is likely a draw.

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04-24-2014 , 03:55 AM

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TeamEdwardsPros

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Never match wits with a Sicilian when death is on the line.

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04-24-2014 , 04:00 AM

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TeamEdwardsPros

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Seriously though,I don't see a lot of value in betting the flop aggressively. I think the sb has you owned a large majority of the time. Fold, never show, after the hand, tell him you folded a 6 and see what he says. He will give you a look of disbelief and you can be happy knowing you saved $200!

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04-24-2014 , 11:11 AM

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donniccolo

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Originally Posted by TeamEdwardsPros

Never match wits with a Sicilian when death is on the line.

I'm not left handed, either!

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Andy, DO NOT SHOW YOUR HAND. This is one of those TV things that people try to do but have no idea why nor what to do when they get info from villain. Like someone said itt, folding AA face up does nothing for you.

As played, call and fade. Sometimes villain can be super bad and do this w just 2p in which case we have him crushed.

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